Comments on: Thunderbird — Differences http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/07/30/thunderbird-differences/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:41:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: eamon fitzpatrick http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/07/30/thunderbird-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-364 eamon fitzpatrick Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:04:12 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=149#comment-364 We would love to use thunderbird as an enterprise type product. In fact I just evaluated it (again) and it failed due to a lack of hide deleted items in IMAP folders and no auto dial/hang for dial up. On the plus side lightning/sunbird is getting extremely good (but can causes major screen space problems, has poor syncML support and should not post items to unticked calenders). Our organisation could financially contribute (in our small way) to thunderbird/lightining/sunbird if it did the above but it cant so we cant(chicken and egg) On the subject of webmail, our organisations email system (mdeamon) offers it and even though its done very well everybody uses outlook express/outlook. I use thunderbird at home as do my parents and sisters HOWEVER the kids use web mail and instant messaging. I think the web mail usage is probably appropriate due to casual use (same for on-line only calendering)however local clients tend to make the whole process so much quicker/smoother (unless you use outlook 2007..slllooooowww). We would love to use thunderbird as an enterprise type product. In fact I just evaluated it (again) and it failed due to a lack of hide deleted items in IMAP folders and no auto dial/hang for dial up. On the plus side lightning/sunbird is getting extremely good (but can causes major screen space problems, has poor syncML support and should not post items to unticked calenders).

Our organisation could financially contribute (in our small way) to thunderbird/lightining/sunbird if it did the above but it cant so we cant(chicken and egg)

On the subject of webmail, our organisations email system (mdeamon) offers it and even though its done very well everybody uses outlook express/outlook. I use thunderbird at home as do my parents and sisters HOWEVER the kids use web mail and instant messaging. I think the web mail usage is probably appropriate due to casual use (same for on-line only calendering)however local clients tend to make the whole process so much quicker/smoother (unless you use outlook 2007..slllooooowww).

]]> By: jigar shah http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/07/30/thunderbird-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-363 jigar shah Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:34:50 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=149#comment-363 Hi mitchel Don't you think fury of people is because of overall outlook of mozilla rather than because of your email call to action ? what Eddy Nigg says does make sense. We have plenty of scope for evolving for enterprise. We don't want Exchange / Outlook stuff on system. And about Youngster's using other way to communicate (I understand social networking:))..can we have Something like "extension" for tht ? Like gmail ? About "People not using desktop client"... Internet in rest of the world is not really broadband. And there are limitation of online Web 2.0 Email clients. They are not perfect and do not have enough flexibility. All of them have some limitation tht cannot be ignored. And feature addition is not really easy. And most importantly...they do not follow "Open email" most of them ask for "pay for premium service" "Thunderbird is much closer to an enterprise product." Thts true and don't you see revenue coming up from there ? A branded TB ? Or enterprise Addressbook with synchronisation ? A Task management with calender feature ? Hi mitchel
Don’t you think fury of people is because of overall outlook of mozilla rather than because of your email call to action ?

what Eddy Nigg says does make sense. We have plenty of scope for evolving for enterprise. We don’t want Exchange / Outlook stuff on system. And about Youngster’s using other way to communicate (I understand social networking:))..can we have Something like “extension” for tht ? Like gmail ?
About “People not using desktop client”…
Internet in rest of the world is not really broadband. And there are limitation of online Web 2.0 Email clients. They are not perfect and do not have enough flexibility. All of them have some limitation tht cannot be ignored. And feature addition is not really easy. And most importantly…they do not follow “Open email” most of them ask for “pay for premium service”

“Thunderbird is much closer to an enterprise product.”
Thts true and don’t you see revenue coming up from there ? A branded TB ? Or enterprise Addressbook with synchronisation ? A Task management with calender feature ?

]]> By: Wayne Mery http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/07/30/thunderbird-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-362 Wayne Mery Thu, 02 Aug 2007 11:47:00 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=149#comment-362 "... Eudora came to be somehow a part of the Mozilla projects, just in time for them to dump it off on someone else, ..." Eudora also came with 4+ full time paid developers, still employed by Qualcomm iirc, for a significant period of time to effect the transition. “… Eudora came to be somehow a part of the Mozilla projects, just in time for them to dump it off on someone else, …”

Eudora also came with 4+ full time paid developers, still employed by Qualcomm iirc, for a significant period of time to effect the transition.

]]> By: Jason http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/07/30/thunderbird-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-361 Jason Thu, 02 Aug 2007 05:22:25 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=149#comment-361 It is absolutely clear that there is nothing anyone could do or say to even get this gentleman to even consider alternatives to his judgement. It is set in stone. Too bad, as it is his loss. One thing I am really concerned with is the fact that just this last year, Eudora came to be somehow a part of the Mozilla projects, just in time for them to dump it off on someone else, or in politically correct corporate terms, divest it. It is absolutely clear that there is nothing anyone could do or say to even get this gentleman to even consider alternatives to his judgement. It is set in stone. Too bad, as it is his loss.

One thing I am really concerned with is the fact that just this last year, Eudora came to be somehow a part of the Mozilla projects, just in time for them to dump it off on someone else, or in politically correct corporate terms, divest it.

]]> By: Asa Dotzler http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/07/30/thunderbird-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-360 Asa Dotzler Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:36:01 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=149#comment-360 Bapiste, IMAP, POP and SMTP are not in jeopardy. They are long documented standards with literally hundreds of high-quality implementations competing and innovating all the time. They are used by the overwhelming majority of people doing email and while a few big webmail companies are growing, with Hotmail and Yahoo in the lead, we're not really in a position with Thunderbird to force them to be more open. We can, with Firefox, lead them in the right direction by offering features like off-line support and others. Bapiste, IMAP, POP and SMTP are not in jeopardy. They are long documented standards with literally hundreds of high-quality implementations competing and innovating all the time. They are used by the overwhelming majority of people doing email and while a few big webmail companies are growing, with Hotmail and Yahoo in the lead, we’re not really in a position with Thunderbird to force them to be more open. We can, with Firefox, lead them in the right direction by offering features like off-line support and others.

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