Comments on: Beyond Sustainability http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/10/22/beyond-sustainability/ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:37:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Apple Auto-Update Installs Mozilla CEO Tirade | John Paczkowski | Digital Daily | AllThingsD http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/10/22/beyond-sustainability/#comment-752 Apple Auto-Update Installs Mozilla CEO Tirade | John Paczkowski | Digital Daily | AllThingsD Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:10:58 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=165#comment-752 [...] report, Mozilla made $66.8 million in revenue in 2006, quite a bit of it from Google (GOOG). As former Mozilla Corp. CEO Mitchell Baker explained in a post to MozillaZine: As in 2005 the vast majority of this revenue is associated with the [...] [...] report, Mozilla made $66.8 million in revenue in 2006, quite a bit of it from Google (GOOG). As former Mozilla Corp. CEO Mitchell Baker explained in a post to MozillaZine: As in 2005 the vast majority of this revenue is associated with the [...]

]]> By: Megan http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/10/22/beyond-sustainability/#comment-518 Megan Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:20:28 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=165#comment-518 I'm concerned with the revenue channels especially when largely of the % of earnings comes from just one company, Google. Other than Firefox, Thunderbird, Bugzilla, Sunbird and Minimo all are products with great potential. I hope sufficient resources and development are allocated to this projects to make it just as successful as Firefox. I’m concerned with the revenue channels especially when largely of the % of earnings comes from just one company, Google. Other than Firefox, Thunderbird, Bugzilla, Sunbird and Minimo all are products with great potential. I hope sufficient resources and development are allocated to this projects to make it just as successful as Firefox.

]]> By: George http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/10/22/beyond-sustainability/#comment-517 George Thu, 22 Nov 2007 05:21:23 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=165#comment-517 It give important two points. Firstly, Mozilla as a giant, wildly vibrant open source project. Secondly, Mozilla as a force for building an Internet based on openness, choice, participation and public benefit. It give important two points. Firstly, Mozilla as a giant, wildly vibrant open source project. Secondly, Mozilla as a force for building an Internet based on openness, choice, participation and public benefit.

]]> By: Kiroset http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/10/22/beyond-sustainability/#comment-516 Kiroset Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:34:11 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=165#comment-516 "In 2006 we began giving grants and funding programs. ... In addition to the accessibility related programs, Mozilla's other major areas of expenditure have included support of third-party developers of add-ons..." --- Other than hosting extensions at Addons.Mozilla.org, are there any other incentives/grants/supports being given to add-on developers? In my opinion, Mozilla could be doing much more in this area. I have a close friend who develops one of the oldest and most popular firefox extensions. He spends hours upon hours of his free time (he has a real job!) to support and develop for the 1000000+ firefox users that have his extension. I noticed that his extension doesn't yet work with the upcoming firefox 3 and asked him about it - his reply: "I've had to nearly completely rewrite the thing because firefox 3 changed their interface and broke it" I asked him how long that will take: "I'm nearly done after ~150-200 hours spent on updating it" (!!!) I tease him about doing all that work for free and he admits that he can get burned out having to work on it all the time. Without all the unique extensions for firefox, it would just be another browser and I think it is in Mozilla's best interest to do more to keep add-on developers engaged and happy. “In 2006 we began giving grants and funding programs. … In addition to the accessibility related programs, Mozilla’s other major areas of expenditure have included support of third-party developers of add-ons…”
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Other than hosting extensions at Addons.Mozilla.org, are there any other incentives/grants/supports being given to add-on developers?

In my opinion, Mozilla could be doing much more in this area. I have a close friend who develops one of the oldest and most popular firefox extensions. He spends hours upon hours of his free time (he has a real job!) to support and develop for the 1000000+ firefox users that have his extension.

I noticed that his extension doesn’t yet work with the upcoming firefox 3 and asked him about it - his reply:
“I’ve had to nearly completely rewrite the thing because firefox 3 changed their interface and broke it”
I asked him how long that will take:
“I’m nearly done after ~150-200 hours spent on updating it” (!!!)
I tease him about doing all that work for free and he admits that he can get burned out having to work on it all the time.

Without all the unique extensions for firefox, it would just be another browser and I think it is in Mozilla’s best interest to do more to keep add-on developers engaged and happy.

]]> By: Podm http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/10/22/beyond-sustainability/#comment-515 Podm Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:23:53 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=165#comment-515 "We do this through by building communities of people who believe in this mission and enjoy working together to make this happen. It's an inspiring task. It's hard work. It's rewarding. It's fun. And it's growing." How can you believe in the Mission if the management messes around and cuts developer resources? Thunderbird and Sunbird are perfect examples how mismangement and over-management ensures that an association with money does less than before without a whole lot of money. Mozilla is one of the richest Open Source projects but it does not invest in open source. Did we raise funds for an association that leaves the developers in the cold? “We do this through by building communities of people who believe in this mission and enjoy working together to make this happen. It’s an inspiring task. It’s hard work. It’s rewarding. It’s fun. And it’s growing.”

How can you believe in the Mission if the management messes around and cuts developer resources? Thunderbird and Sunbird are perfect examples how mismangement and over-management ensures that an association with money does less than before without a whole lot of money.

Mozilla is one of the richest Open Source projects but it does not invest in open source. Did we raise funds for an association that leaves the developers in the cold?

]]> By: AC http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/10/22/beyond-sustainability/#comment-514 AC Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:24:41 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=165#comment-514 How about funneling some money into the Internationalization efforts. As it is, it's pretty painful to get translations for Mozilla even when the translation work is done (due to commit process). How about creating the framework so that translations are like skins or add-ons, just something that you can download from a third party? Thanks How about funneling some money into the Internationalization efforts. As it is, it’s pretty painful to get translations for Mozilla even when the translation work is done (due to commit process). How about creating the framework so that translations are like skins or add-ons, just something that you can download from a third party?

Thanks

]]> By: gypspy http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/10/22/beyond-sustainability/#comment-513 gypspy Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:55:12 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=165#comment-513 I get the idea the corporation is all about the old browser wars. Well now Firefox 2.0.0.8 is as bloated and much more unstable than IE7. If I am doing something important I'll always use Netscape or IE7 before Firefox. Could we please have an improved version of 1.5 PLEASE! I get the idea the corporation is all about the old browser wars. Well now Firefox 2.0.0.8 is as bloated and much more unstable than IE7. If I am doing something important I’ll always use Netscape or IE7 before Firefox. Could we please have an improved version of 1.5 PLEASE!

]]> By: Janet Meiners http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/10/22/beyond-sustainability/#comment-505 Janet Meiners Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:00:48 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=165#comment-505 I'm curious if you have stats on the number of volunteers and hours contributed. It seems like that is key to keeping costs low. From what I understand you get many volunteers from businesses as well as universities. And, you don't just get revenue from Google, you collaborate on projects. I'm preparing a story for Marketing Pilgrim and looking for this information. So far no luck. Any tips? Thanks Janet I’m curious if you have stats on the number of volunteers and hours contributed. It seems like that is key to keeping costs low. From what I understand you get many volunteers from businesses as well as universities. And, you don’t just get revenue from Google, you collaborate on projects.
I’m preparing a story for Marketing Pilgrim and looking for this information. So far no luck. Any tips?
Thanks
Janet

]]> By: Favorite Browser http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/10/22/beyond-sustainability/#comment-504 Favorite Browser Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:40:53 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=165#comment-504 Great increase. More users - more searches - more profit. Thanks for the info. Great increase. More users - more searches - more profit.

Thanks for the info.

]]> By: stelt http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2007/10/22/beyond-sustainability/#comment-503 stelt Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:55:09 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=165#comment-503 Hire someone to help your SVG developers so Firefox 3 will support SVG images in HTML's IMG tag, and a few other highly requested SVG features. Just a few can make all the difference, making it a "anything but IE does SVG (natively, properly)" . Wouldn't cost millions. Hire someone to help your SVG developers so Firefox 3 will support SVG images in HTML’s IMG tag, and a few other highly requested SVG features. Just a few can make all the difference, making it a “anything but IE does SVG (natively, properly)” . Wouldn’t cost millions.

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