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		<title>By: angel dawson</title>
		<link>http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/07/07/concentric-circles-of-community/#comment-1874</link>
		<dc:creator>angel dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 05:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to collect more information about concentric circles of community. Could you please help me out?
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Angel
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to collect more information about concentric circles of community. Could you please help me out?<br />
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<a href="http://www.widecircles.biz" rel="nofollow">Wide Circles</a></p>
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		<title>By: commonspace</title>
		<link>http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/07/07/concentric-circles-of-community/#comment-1807</link>
		<dc:creator>commonspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A few concrete things Mozilla Foundation might do...&lt;/strong&gt;

Looking back over dozens of online and over-beer conversations, it's clear the Mozilla Foundation can play an important role in the world. This role is not to oversee or second guess the people producing Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, XUL and other ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A few concrete things Mozilla Foundation might do&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Looking back over dozens of online and over-beer conversations, it&#8217;s clear the Mozilla Foundation can play an important role in the world. This role is not to oversee or second guess the people producing Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, XUL and other &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Messina</title>
		<link>http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/07/07/concentric-circles-of-community/#comment-1781</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Messina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curious. I mocked up a similar concept in December 2004: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/1872333/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curious. I mocked up a similar concept in December 2004: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/1872333/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/1872333/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Concentric Spheres of Community</title>
		<link>http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/07/07/concentric-circles-of-community/#comment-1761</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitchell&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Concentric Spheres of Community</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a post last week I talked about concentric circles of community, noting that I actually think of Mozilla as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: commonspace</title>
		<link>http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/07/07/concentric-circles-of-community/#comment-1726</link>
		<dc:creator>commonspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;More on Mozilla: communities, circles and maps...&lt;/strong&gt;

Mitchell and others recently posted about the Mozilla community as a series of concentric circles. These posts make it clear that being a part of a community like Mozilla (or not) isn't a binary switch. Rather, people have varying degrees of involveme...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>More on Mozilla: communities, circles and maps&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Mitchell and others recently posted about the Mozilla community as a series of concentric circles. These posts make it clear that being a part of a community like Mozilla (or not) isn&#8217;t a binary switch. Rather, people have varying degrees of involveme&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/07/07/concentric-circles-of-community/#comment-1725</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've recently been looking at this from a completely different angle - what barriers are there that keep those communities from freely and effectively collaborating to make things better. Anyway... here's the first three that I can see...

Barrier of Knowledge
(to adapt a quote from Douglas Adams)
"Mozilla is a big project... . Really big. So vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big you won't believe it. So I won't bother wasting your time trying to convince you how vastly hugely fantastically mind-bogglingly hugely enormous it is."
As soon as you scratch the surface, you realize there's a lot going on...and that it's not "just" a browser that's being developed, or "just" a mail client. This is really overwhelming, and I think it's a culture shock to new contributors. There's enough going on that it's easy to lose awareness of the big picture... and easy to never even see the big picture to begin with. Finding out who to talk to, how to do stuff, etc is a huge barrier to becoming more than a spectator in this community.

Barrier of Attitudes
"I don't have time." "RESOLVED WONTFIX" "RESOLVED INVALID"
I don't think anyone would deliberately push a newcomer aside, but sometimes (and I've been guilty of it too), the culture of geeks (or hackers, or gurus, or whatever term you want to use that day)  is abrasive. When someone comes to a geek and says "It doesn't work." without explaining what doesn't work... there's implied hostility. Things start off on a bad foot right away. I'm not sure that this can be helped any more than we're already doing, but it's certainly one thing that can chase someone away from a community. 

Barrier of Ability
"I'm a doctor Jim, not a ..."
This is the one we can't help quite so much. A person's own skills and abilities are going to define what roles they can take in a community. That said, we can make sure that we point those people who want to help towards somewhere they'll be useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve recently been looking at this from a completely different angle - what barriers are there that keep those communities from freely and effectively collaborating to make things better. Anyway&#8230; here&#8217;s the first three that I can see&#8230;</p>
<p>Barrier of Knowledge<br />
(to adapt a quote from Douglas Adams)<br />
&#8220;Mozilla is a big project&#8230; . Really big. So vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big you won&#8217;t believe it. So I won&#8217;t bother wasting your time trying to convince you how vastly hugely fantastically mind-bogglingly hugely enormous it is.&#8221;<br />
As soon as you scratch the surface, you realize there&#8217;s a lot going on&#8230;and that it&#8217;s not &#8220;just&#8221; a browser that&#8217;s being developed, or &#8220;just&#8221; a mail client. This is really overwhelming, and I think it&#8217;s a culture shock to new contributors. There&#8217;s enough going on that it&#8217;s easy to lose awareness of the big picture&#8230; and easy to never even see the big picture to begin with. Finding out who to talk to, how to do stuff, etc is a huge barrier to becoming more than a spectator in this community.</p>
<p>Barrier of Attitudes<br />
&#8220;I don&#8217;t have time.&#8221; &#8220;RESOLVED WONTFIX&#8221; &#8220;RESOLVED INVALID&#8221;<br />
I don&#8217;t think anyone would deliberately push a newcomer aside, but sometimes (and I&#8217;ve been guilty of it too), the culture of geeks (or hackers, or gurus, or whatever term you want to use that day)  is abrasive. When someone comes to a geek and says &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t work.&#8221; without explaining what doesn&#8217;t work&#8230; there&#8217;s implied hostility. Things start off on a bad foot right away. I&#8217;m not sure that this can be helped any more than we&#8217;re already doing, but it&#8217;s certainly one thing that can chase someone away from a community. </p>
<p>Barrier of Ability<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;m a doctor Jim, not a &#8230;&#8221;<br />
This is the one we can&#8217;t help quite so much. A person&#8217;s own skills and abilities are going to define what roles they can take in a community. That said, we can make sure that we point those people who want to help towards somewhere they&#8217;ll be useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Mozilla Brochure 1.0 &#171; davidwboswell</title>
		<link>http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/07/07/concentric-circles-of-community/#comment-1709</link>
		<dc:creator>Mozilla Brochure 1.0 &#171; davidwboswell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Foundation&#8217;s future, there have been some efforts made to be more precise about what the community is now. It make sense that we need to have a clear understanding of where we are today before we can [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Foundation&#8217;s future, there have been some efforts made to be more precise about what the community is now. It make sense that we need to have a clear understanding of where we are today before we can [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Second View of the Open Internet</title>
		<link>http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/07/07/concentric-circles-of-community/#comment-1707</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitchell&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Second View of the Open Internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  It&#8217;s still got plenty of poetry &#8212; just look at the excitement and motivation of the people who make it happen. It&#8217;s also got a lot of nitty-gritty, every day, concrete tasks that must [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  It&#8217;s still got plenty of poetry &#8212; just look at the excitement and motivation of the people who make it happen. It&#8217;s also got a lot of nitty-gritty, every day, concrete tasks that must [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Surman</title>
		<link>http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/07/07/concentric-circles-of-community/#comment-1704</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Surman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitchell: I like the idea of spheres. It adds space for more dimensions. Even at the core of the sphere there are different geographies, projects, skills. Interesting. However, I am not sure 'community of practice' is the right term for what sits at the centre of the sphere. It feels a bit too open ended, and not enough about producing concrete artifacts. I'm going to think on this and post once I am fully back online (next couple of days).

Gerv: The 'user community' -&#62; 'community of interest' path you've drawn in your comment is a good one. Adding this level of granularity makes for something much more doable than my consumer -&#62; contributor path, at least to start. Mozilla could do a fun video campaign about why the open, participatory web matters. Or something around the Manifesto. Or an alliance of people and projects promoting the open web. Who knows? In any case, I agree with you that at least some of the Foundation's resources and effort would be well used in helping people along this path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitchell: I like the idea of spheres. It adds space for more dimensions. Even at the core of the sphere there are different geographies, projects, skills. Interesting. However, I am not sure &#8216;community of practice&#8217; is the right term for what sits at the centre of the sphere. It feels a bit too open ended, and not enough about producing concrete artifacts. I&#8217;m going to think on this and post once I am fully back online (next couple of days).</p>
<p>Gerv: The &#8216;user community&#8217; -&gt; &#8216;community of interest&#8217; path you&#8217;ve drawn in your comment is a good one. Adding this level of granularity makes for something much more doable than my consumer -&gt; contributor path, at least to start. Mozilla could do a fun video campaign about why the open, participatory web matters. Or something around the Manifesto. Or an alliance of people and projects promoting the open web. Who knows? In any case, I agree with you that at least some of the Foundation&#8217;s resources and effort would be well used in helping people along this path.</p>
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		<title>By: 451 CAOS Theory &#187; What we talk about when we talk about community</title>
		<link>http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/07/07/concentric-circles-of-community/#comment-1697</link>
		<dc:creator>451 CAOS Theory &#187; What we talk about when we talk about community</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] followed that post with another describing the concentric circles of community she sees at Mozilla. To put it briefly (please see Mitchell&#8217;s post for a full explanation of [...]</description>
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