Comments on: Slightly revised “Firefox” goal for 2010 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/12/15/slightly-revised-firefox-goal-for-2010/ Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:37:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: about:mozilla - 2010 goals, Thunderbird 3, Labs meetup, updating add-ons, Foundation report, Impact Mozilla, and more… | Bits & Pieces http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/12/15/slightly-revised-firefox-goal-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-5000 about:mozilla - 2010 goals, Thunderbird 3, Labs meetup, updating add-ons, Foundation report, Impact Mozilla, and more… | Bits & Pieces Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:22:30 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=639#comment-5000 [...] Revised drafts of the proposed goals have been posted to Mitchell’s weblog, including the “Firefox” goal, the “data” goal, the “mobile” goal, and the “centerpiece” [...] [...] Revised drafts of the proposed goals have been posted to Mitchell’s weblog, including the “Firefox” goal, the “data” goal, the “mobile” goal, and the “centerpiece” [...]

]]> By: Mitchell Baker http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/12/15/slightly-revised-firefox-goal-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-4779 Mitchell Baker Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:51:17 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=639#comment-4779 open source web - apps, that's a big idea. I don't think that will make it into this set of goals, but I'm definitely going to think about it. open source web – apps, that’s a big idea. I don’t think that will make it into this set of goals, but I’m definitely going to think about it.

]]> By: Eddy Nigg http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/12/15/slightly-revised-firefox-goal-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-4770 Eddy Nigg Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:43:16 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=639#comment-4770 And don't forget free digital certificates from https://www.startssl.com/?app=1 to secure private and public sites. Not sure how high this is on your agenda, but I (obviously) believe that security and privacy should be part of the open web. It's not "free" in the same sense of software or movement since certification has hardly much to do with freedom really, but by providing this service for free it gives to many Mozilla users the freedom to truly rely on trusted certificates and enjoy privacy where desired and security where needed. And don’t forget free digital certificates from https://www.startssl.com/?app=1 to secure private and public sites. Not sure how high this is on your agenda, but I (obviously) believe that security and privacy should be part of the open web. It’s not “free” in the same sense of software or movement since certification has hardly much to do with freedom really, but by providing this service for free it gives to many Mozilla users the freedom to truly rely on trusted certificates and enjoy privacy where desired and security where needed.

]]> By: Michael http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/12/15/slightly-revised-firefox-goal-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-4768 Michael Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:24:58 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=639#comment-4768 Even with all those noble goals Mozilla is missing one great opportunity IMHO. There's always talk about just how important the open web and free software mindshare is. But in the end, what does Mozilla provide? Sure we have, a great free browser which is packed with open web technologies. But what do people use it for? Mostly proprietary, closed source, non free sites and web-apps like Twitter, Flickr, Google Apps etc. Don't get me wrong, it's great that those sites don't depend on Flash or Silverlight but use open standard technologies advocated by Mozilla among others. But this is only part of the problem. With the growing importance of Web apps like the ones mentioned above it becomes vital to provide free alternatives to the user. In the case of Twitter, we now have Identi.ca, which is completely free software, offers most (if not all) of the features of Twitter and even offers interoperability with Twitter. What about the others? I truly think Mozilla should use its power to support (maybe through Labs?) the creation of great _free_ web apps using open web technologies, starting with a nice framework to built on. The nice side effects: a) This would surely motivate some web developers (which is traditionally a different group of people to those working on HTML engines and bowsers) to spend time on free software => new developers! b) It would be very easy to provide mobile integration of those new web apps as Mozilla would control both the backends (public API etc) and frontends (special mobile-centric UI). c) A possibility to integrate nicely with other Mozilla products (e.g. Firefox) to build a nice "package" for the user. Flawless interaction and integration is key. Other browsers are slowly catching up, so having more user value than just the browser application itself is always a good idea. Even with all those noble goals Mozilla is missing one great opportunity IMHO. There’s always talk about just how important the open web and free software mindshare is. But in the end, what does Mozilla provide? Sure we have, a great free browser which is packed with open web technologies. But what do people use it for? Mostly proprietary, closed source, non free sites and web-apps like Twitter, Flickr, Google Apps etc. Don’t get me wrong, it’s great that those sites don’t depend on Flash or Silverlight but use open standard technologies advocated by Mozilla among others. But this is only part of the problem. With the growing importance of Web apps like the ones mentioned above it becomes vital to provide free alternatives to the user.

In the case of Twitter, we now have Identi.ca, which is completely free software, offers most (if not all) of the features of Twitter and even offers interoperability with Twitter. What about the others?

I truly think Mozilla should use its power to support (maybe through Labs?) the creation of great _free_ web apps using open web technologies, starting with a nice framework to built on. The nice side effects:

a) This would surely motivate some web developers (which is traditionally a different group of people to those working on HTML engines and bowsers) to spend time on free software => new developers!

b) It would be very easy to provide mobile integration of those new web apps as Mozilla would control both the backends (public API etc) and frontends (special mobile-centric UI).

c) A possibility to integrate nicely with other Mozilla products (e.g. Firefox) to build a nice “package” for the user. Flawless interaction and integration is key.

Other browsers are slowly catching up, so having more user value than just the browser application itself is always a good idea.

]]> By: Zak Greant http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/12/15/slightly-revised-firefox-goal-for-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-4766 Zak Greant Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:27:41 +0000 http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/?p=639#comment-4766 Chris: Concrete suggestions to improve the wording of the goal are more helpful than links to a gallery of textual nonsense... or perhaps this is just spam? Mitchell: Perhaps "Build Firefox mindshare and marketshare momentum" is a more engaging and direct way to state our intent? Chris: Concrete suggestions to improve the wording of the goal are more helpful than links to a gallery of textual nonsense… or perhaps this is just spam?

Mitchell: Perhaps “Build Firefox mindshare and marketshare momentum” is a more engaging and direct way to state our intent?

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