Thunderbird: Stability and Community Innovation

July 6th, 2012

Thunderbird provides an open-source, cross-platform email alternative for those of us who still use stand-alone email clients (and I am one). It’s trust-worthy, it’s under your control, and it’s built to reflect the Mozilla mission. Once again we’ve been asking the question: is Thunderbird a likely source of innovation and of leadership in today’s Internet life? Or is Thunderbird already pretty much what its users want and mostly needs some on-going maintenance?

Much of Mozilla’s leadership — including that of the Thunderbird team — has come to the conclusion that on-going stability is the most important thing, and that continued innovation in Thunderbird is not a priority for Mozilla’s product efforts. (For more information about the path to this conclusion, see the “Background Information” section below.) As a result, the Thunderbird team has developed a plan that provides both stability for Thunderbird’s current state and allows the Thunderbird community to innovate if it chooses.

In this plan, Mozilla will provide security updates through an Extended Support Release process. We will also maintain mechanisms for the Thunderbird community to organize for ongoing development. Here are additional details about this plan. If you are a Thunderbird user and are interested in more details, please follow the discussion at the two URLs above or in the Thunderbird online channels. If you are a Thunderbird developer, join the discussion in the Thunderbird development forums.

Thunderbird is an important product for many people — I am one of them. If you’re one of us and want to get involved in building Thunderbird, now is the time. For Thunderbird users, the Extended Support Release process will provide security maintenance updates.

Background Information

We’ve asked the question about Thunderbird and ongoing innovation a number of times. We’ve tried for years to build Thunderbird as a highly innovative offering, where it plays a role in moving modern Internet messaging to a more open, innovative space, and where there is a growing, more active contributor base. To date, we haven’t achieved this. The exception to this statement is the Mozilla localization communities, which contributes immense effort into localizing Thunderbird into many languages. However, the dedicated efforts of these groups have not been supported by an active contributor base in other areas. This puts great stress on a number of our localization communities.

The Thunderbird team has successfully updated the product and has built infrastructure for innovation in Thunderbird. It has ideas and projects under way. It tries to develop and welcome and nurture new contributors. Over the years we’ve tried a variety of things to encourage community development and innovation in the Thunderbird world. In the early days of the Foundation in 2003 the same team was developing Firefox and Thunderbird; then we created Mozilla Messaging for a focused development; and today the Thunderbird team is back in the main Mozilla product organization.

Most Thunderbird users seem happy with the basic email feature set. In parallel, we have seen the rising popularity of Web-based forms of communications representing email alternatives to a desktop solution. Given this, focusing on stability for Thunderbird and driving innovation through other offerings seems a natural choice.

Categories: Mozilla

424 comments for “Thunderbird: Stability and Community Innovation”

1
Pingback from So, That’s It For Thunderbird | Network9ja

[...] Update: Oh look, a blog post just went up. [...]
2
Evan said on July 6th, 2012 at 2:47 pm:

Sad to see, but I look forward to seeing new Mozilla innovation on other projects!
3
Pingback from So, That’s It For Thunderbird | SIMPLYGRAY

[...] Update: Oh look, a blog post just went up. [...]
4
Pingback from So, That’s It For Thunderbird | Gaster Tech Blog

[...] Update: Oh look, a blog post just went up. [...]
5
Pingback from So, That’s It For Thunderbird | Welcome To My Site

[...] Update: Oh look, a blog post just went up. [...]
6
Matt said on July 6th, 2012 at 3:07 pm:

As I lose more and more trust everyday in cloud computing and giving my information to companies for hosting on their servers, it was reassuring to have an email system in place that gave me control over my email. Saddened to hear that Mozilla is making these changes, but understand it given today’s technological advances on the web. I will continue to use Thunderbird as I still like control over my data – including email – and no one does it better than Mozilla.
7
Pingback from So, That’s It For Thunderbird - Entrepreneur News | The Australian Society of Entrepreneurs

[...] Update: Oh look, a blog post just went up. [...]
8
Benjamin Kerensa said on July 6th, 2012 at 3:11 pm:

I think this was a pre-mature decision considering that Mozilla cannot predict the feasability of the products its redirecting focus to. Thunderbird is used by millions (On Ubuntu, Fedora, Windows etc) and to nuke the best mail client on the web seems counter-productive.
9
Pingback from So, That’s It For Thunderbird | Bitmag

[...] Update: Oh look, a blog post just went up. [...]
10
Pingback from So, That’s It For Thunderbird | New Hope News

[...] Update: Oh look, a blog post just went up. [...]
11
Pingback from Mozilla Thunderbird: Der Donnervogel wird eingefroren | picomol.de

[...] wohl nicht mehr weiterentwickelt werden. Das gab Mozilla in Form von Mitchell Baker in ihrem Blog gerade eben [...]
12
M. Edward Borasky (@znmeb) said on July 6th, 2012 at 3:16 pm:

And what about Seamonkey? As far as I can tell, that’s even less used than Thunderbird. I’m glad to see Mozilla is *finally* thinking strategically and allocating resources to products with significant shares of growing markets.
13
Pingback from So, That’s It For Thunderbird

[...] Update: Oh look, a blog post just went up. [...]
14
Pingback from Mozilla: “Thunderbird a manos de la comunidad”

[...] sus recursos y dedicarse a productos donde pueden ser disruptivos y matar otros productos, bueno, Mitchell Baker el jefe de la Fundación Mozilla aclara que no “matan Thunderbird” sino que “van a darle soporte de seguridad y [...]
15
Amr said on July 6th, 2012 at 3:42 pm:

Good step. No body wants a desktop email client anymore.
I think Mozilla should consider working on a front-end web application of a mail server (or email services). A web-based email client. This would be a good replacement for Thunderbird and an alternative for Gmail, Hotmail, and others.
16
figital said on July 6th, 2012 at 3:47 pm:

This is very bad news on a (coincidence?!) Friday.

As much as I’ve always used an loved Thunderbird the last few years, I’ve always been disappointed in the way it hasn’t seemed to move forward. I’ll never have the ability to fathom how difficult it would be to build or add features to an application like this …. I’m guessing the lack of ad revenue from the product might contribute to the lack of interest from above (whomever that may be).

Would be interesting to know what about the localization work was successful (perhaps because the main feature set didn’t change much).

Here’s one annoyance I wished I’d tried to have “improved” …
http://www.flickr.com/photos/figital/5891065748/in/photostream

Perhaps imap.js to the rescue or somesuch. Just rambling at this point

BuzzKill².

(reading the governance stuff later)
17
Scott Baker said on July 6th, 2012 at 3:50 pm:

“To date, we haven’t achieved this”

WHAT? you have built the best email client out there – and it kept getting better – file link was genius and now… you’re stopping? I’m shocked, saddened, and confused as to how anyone could possibly fail to see how successful Thunderbird is, and why or how it is not beeing seen as a resounding success. Easily the best and more innovative email client out there. This is a disaster for email as far as I’m concerned.

Borderline speechless here, certainly very dissappointed.
18
Pingback from So, That’s It For Thunderbird « DevelopersArena.com

[...] Update: Oh look, a blog post just went up. [...]
19
Zarggg said on July 6th, 2012 at 4:06 pm:

This is such a shame. I’d much rather use a desktop client than a web client.
20
Leo said on July 6th, 2012 at 4:09 pm:

I’m DEEPLY disappointed. Thunderbird remains an exceptionally viable desktop email client with so much potential. The desktop isn’t going away, people. But, apparently, our options for innovation on it are….

Very, VERY sad to see this. In my opinion, a huge mistake.

Leo Notenboom
The “Leo” in Ask Leo!
21
Sam Lavoie said on July 6th, 2012 at 4:10 pm:

Well this make sense I guess, seeing where desktop email is going. But I Can’t wait to see other Mozilla’s projects such as the Firefox OS and Firefox retaking a lead in browser with stunning add-ons and features
22
Pingback from Mozilla: Thunderbird’s not our priority anymore

[...] the Chair of the Mozilla Foundation Mitchell Baker, decided to post information about it in a blog post as well.A letter was sent out earlier to Mozilla employees detailing the plans ahead of the Monday [...]
23
Pingback from FairerPlatform » Blog Archive Mozilla cutting Thunderbird email client loose

[...] that continued innovation in Thunderbird is not a priority for Mozilla’s product efforts,” writes Mitchell Baker, Chair, Mozilla Foundation. “As a result, the Thunderbird team has developed a [...]
24
John said on July 6th, 2012 at 4:33 pm:

Leonardo da Vinci supposedly said “Art is never finished, only abandoned.” The same can be said of software. Thunderbird has certainly reached a point where it does it’s intended job quite well, and there are no obvious missing features. It’s reasonable to think about moving on to new work. Unfortunately, software doesn’t age well. A masterpiece painting hanging in a museum will still be a masterpiece hundreds of years later. Thunderbird will likely start “rusting” after one major OS release, and the decay will probably be very noticeable after two. I hope the Mozilla Foundation will devote sufficient resources to ongoing maintenance so Thunderbird can remain the excellent tool for desktop EMAIL that it is today.
25
TG said on July 6th, 2012 at 4:33 pm:

Firefox OS better be awesome now as Mozilla put their focus on it
26
George said on July 6th, 2012 at 4:38 pm:

Yet another pathetic decision from the clueless. Obviously never looked at the numbers of users and platforms involved. A desktop client is essential to those that want to aggregate their emails from work, school and personal email accounts. Yep NOTHING like going to 5+ websites to read my mail. Another short-sighted decision. Taking cues from Microsoft? Leave people hanging? E.g. Front Page, Flight Simulator, et al. If I hear the word ‘strategic’ once more, I will scream!!!
27
Gary said on July 6th, 2012 at 4:43 pm:

I’m very disappointed. Although I think the address book could use a few improvements, I thought the main email client was far and away better than ANY online variant. Both Google and Yahoo, for instance, have shown a penchant for constant disimprovements of their email client, and they lack the extensibility of Thunderbird.
28
Daniel Veditz said on July 6th, 2012 at 4:45 pm:

@znmeb: Even with the proposed changes Thunderbird will still be getting more Mozilla support than SeaMonkey ever has.

@figital: If you read the leaked memo you’ll see this was supposed to be announced on Monday, not buried on a Friday.
29
Cemal said on July 6th, 2012 at 4:51 pm:

Those who are declaring the desktop and desktop applications dead are quite wrong. The cloud may bring some benefits but I do not believe that the connectivity is still not there to use an application like Photoshop in the cloud. I know they offer it, but it still baffles me to push my large files to the cloud to process and then get them down for local use like printing. Thunderbird has been a great e-mail client for me for years and I will put it against any in the market. It may be fairer to assess usage fees instead of pulling the plug altogether. It will be very hard to switch back to the gorilla. And, to those who might suggest I use the Web-based services I would say that I do. But having several different e-mail addresses at different providers makes and application like Thunderbird very compelling, instead of hopping from one Webmail to another. And, no, I do not want to consolidate all my mail to one provider.

Reconsider this decision, I am willing to pay a “subscription” fee to use TBird, as I do to my antivirus software, my creative suite, ….
30
David Higgins said on July 6th, 2012 at 4:55 pm:

“Thunderbird is an important product for many people”

This is the crux of the issue. Is Thunderbird a product, or an open source initiative?
Firefox is a product. It piggybacks on Google. The first, most prominent thing I see when I install Firefox is the reliance on Google.

I think Thunderbird should do something similar, except instead of relying on Google for revenue, it should rely on a premium e-mail provider like Rackspace E-Mail, or partner with Google Apps for Business.

I disagree with people who say “it’s all in the cloud now, and there’s no going back”.
Why should everything have to exist in the browser? I have peace of mind that Thunderbird is separate from my Browser, and I can receive notifications without having a ‘permatab’ open every-time I want to see a new message arrived.
31
Pingback from Mozilla dejará de desarrollar Thunderbird - FayerWayer

[...] la información se filtró, Mozilla publicó el post del anuncio hoy, señalando que no dejarán abandonados al alrededor de 20 millones de usuarios que tiene el [...]
32
W^L+ said on July 6th, 2012 at 5:06 pm:

I’m very sad to see this. I can only guess that the true reason is that you can’t get a corporate sponsor to back T-bird when there is so little chance of advertising.

I was an early switcher to webmail. But webmail requires me to log in every time, is horribly slow, doesn’t support gpg signing, and leaves me at the mercy of the provider’s design choices (e.g, messagelist shows 20 messages per page). I only use webmail when I have to change an account setting in the last 2-3 years, and I’ve been encouraged to see that I am not the only one.

Don’t get me wrong. I do not feel that T-bird has improved all that much the past few years. For example, gpg support is an add-on, as is account import/export and the Lightning calendar. All of these are pretty clearly things that should be part of the client itself. (If you disagree, explain to someone why they can’t check their appointments or read/send encrypted or signed mail for a month or so after a major update to T-bird.) *The project has been starved of resources for some time.* But to see you throw in the towel on such a major part of the Internet is beyond sad.
33
Pingback from Mozilla Thunderbird To Thunder No More | AKTUAL TECHNO NEWS

[...] Mozilla [...]
34
Pingback from Mozilla calling it quits on Thunderbird, report says | Tech-News

[...] Foundation Chair Mitchell Baker on Monday afternoon. It seems the post, which focuses on the Thunderbird’s stability and community, was published today (after TechCrunch’s report was published). The news release is expected [...]
35
Berend de Boer said on July 6th, 2012 at 5:08 pm:

Ever thought about the people using Thunderbird so they can access their emails when the cloud is down?
36
Brian M said on July 6th, 2012 at 5:08 pm:

I have been using Thunderbird on and off for a while. The latest release in my opinion, is the first one which really feels polished and optimized. I have been so pleased with the release of 13.0.1. It is finally fast, responsive and has excellent stability. I am in shock that now after all of the hard work which has been done, that thunderbird will be demphasized. In some ways however, I can understand the decision. Exactly how many features can you really add to an email client? My real concern is that thunderbird will eventually suffer from neglect. I know that this is not the intention, nor is it the plan. (It never is) It is still of great concern to me.

Just for the record, Mozilla can make it up to me by creating iLife and iWork opensource clones. I would gladly pay good money for these. I know, Open office/libre office. The problem is that these programs, like a lot of other open source programs, seem to lack the kind of optimization, fit and finish that other commercial offerings have. I know that these areas are addressed by other pieces of software. It’s just that most of the software is mediocre. We need Mozilla to continue to give us quality software. I know that email programs, browsers, word processors and spreadsheets are not glamorous projects. But without good quality versions of these a platform is dead in the water. Even though I use firefox and thunderbird on my linux box, I still use my wife’s mac for typing papers, letters and brochures. I would love a commercial quality offering in this area. I would pay for this and I believe a lot of other people would too.

Thanks for the vent.

Brian.
37
Pingback from Mozilla calling it quits on Thunderbird, report says | WestPenn Journal

[...] Foundation Chair Mitchell Baker on Monday afternoon. It seems the post, which focuses on the Thunderbird’s stability and community, was published today (after TechCrunch’s report was published). The news release is expected [...]
38
Pingback from Mozilla Foundation drops Thunderbird | ][ stefano maffulli

[...] sad to read that finally Mozilla Foundation realized that Thunderbird is a lemon: Mitchell Baker announced on her blog that “continued innovation of Thunderbird is not a priority” so its evolution will stop [...]
39
Pingback from Mozilla calling it quits on Thunderbird, report says | The Website Guru

[...] Foundation Chair Mitchell Baker on Monday afternoon. It seems the post, which focuses on the Thunderbird’s stability and community, was published today (after TechCrunch’s report was published). The news release is expected [...]
40
Anonymous said on July 6th, 2012 at 5:24 pm:

Count me as deeply disappointed. I’m using SeaMonkey and thus benefit from Thunderbird development. Needless to say, to see that Mozilla’s abandoning (let’s be honest here) the main free software e-mail client because folks use the cloud is worrying. The right stance from Mozilla should be to encourage people to do their computing on their own computer.

As for Firefox OS, I wish you the best of luck but I have some serious doubts. It’s coming way too late to the party, there’s no place for another player. The price segment you’re aiming at will soon be occupied entirely by Android devices ($99 devices are already there, $70 devices are expected at the end of the year with new SoCs). You can hardly compete against Android and its thriving ecosystem, and certainly not without native apps. To put it bluntly, I see no reason to replace my Android device with Firefox OS. Diverting resources from Thunderbird will probably kill this e-mail client but certainly not help Firefox OS.

In short, I’m afraid you’re panicking. And you will lose on both counts. Your users (which means us) will, too.
41
Bored369 said on July 6th, 2012 at 5:27 pm:

Email is a horrible waste of time and is as insecure as communication comes without a great deal of work from all communicating parties.

I for one applaud this move and hopefully we’ll begin to either see a move away from emails in general or at least a long overdue redesign of the entire emailing system by someone.

I know that’s outside the scope of Mozilla Thunderbird’s role and usage but again I applaud any move away from that decrepit system which everyone loves so much but understands so little about.
42
Pingback from ¿Adiós Mozilla Thunderbird?

[...] Esta tarde se filtró un correo electrónico enviado por Mitchell Baker a los demás miembros de la Fundación Mozilla para darles a conocer los planes para Thunderbird de cara al futuro. Supuestamente la información debió resguardarse hasta el lunes pero, como el staff de TechCrunch consiguió una copia del e-mail, se adelantó el anuncio. [...]
43
Pingback from Mozilla dejará de desarrollar Thunderbird | InFORMAT

[...] la información se filtró, Mozilla publicó el post del anuncio hoy, señalando que no dejarán abandonados al alrededor de 20 millones de usuarios que tiene el [...]
44
Pingback from No, that's not "it" for Thunderbird... | Mike Conley's Blog

[...] Today, through various channels, it was announced that continued innovation on Thunderbird is not a top priority for Mozilla. [...]
45
Bored369 said on July 6th, 2012 at 5:37 pm:

Oh and they are basically playing with all the upset users here to continue to develop and innovate thunderbird. I’m sure many of the Mozilla team will continue to work on it in their own spare time if they like, but anyone here can do the same and they will give you and maintain the process to go about it. It sounds like it’s been there (as most open source projects are) and encouraged by Mozilla to get the community involved in core development and innovation, but they haven’t so why pay to do It if they feel their resources are better spent elsewhere.

Basically if you don’t like this move; improve thunderbird yourself…which really nice considering companies like M$ can and will pull the plug on any product and there’s nothing you can do afterwards about it.
46
yans said on July 6th, 2012 at 5:40 pm:

it’s the best email client ever!! why man why?

so much better than windows live or outlook or webbased!!!
47
Pingback from | :: Playing Radio ::

[...] Foundation Chair Mitchell Baker on Monday afternoon. It seems the post, which focuses on the Thunderbird’s stability and community, was published today (after TechCrunch’s report was published). The news release is expected [...]
48
Daniele said on July 6th, 2012 at 5:44 pm:

I’m shocked! When thinking of email, Thunderbird was a sure choice (also against Apple Mail or Microsoft Outlook). Sounds more a failure of Mozilla to monetize the product, than a problem with the target audience. Instead to improve further Thunderbird and push it in the enterprise, Mozilla is dropping 1 of its 2 stable products (and the future of Firefox is not so clear). I hope Thunderbird will find soon a more motivated community, one user is here.
49
Mike Kamermans said on July 6th, 2012 at 5:53 pm:

I don’t quite understand all these comments… Thunderbird’s not getting cancelled, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/Proposal:_New_Release_and_Governance_Model doesn’t say anything about moving thunderbird to the cloud, all it says is the normal “for individuals” client is going to update based on community contributions. It’s not cancelled, it’s not “moving to the cloud”, it’s not even abandoned by the people who work on it. Did people even read this post? O_o
50
A_Pickle said on July 6th, 2012 at 5:54 pm:

I’m deeply saddened to hear this news.

Thunderbird is THE last vestige of e-mail under one’s own control. It’s trustworthy, due to the openness of the code. It’s also extensible, offering a myriad of extensions that enhance it’s usability and functionality.

To hear that Thunderbird is “already pretty much what its users want” is sad. It’s nice, to suggest it’s “all we want” is ridiculous. There are so many ways that Thunderbird could be improved to fit into the “new” cloud paradigm, and there are ways that Thunderbird could actually provide a functionally identical alternative to cloud offerings that retains user control.

I’d really like to see Mozilla re-think this decision, though, given the “improvements” to Thunderbird over the past several version iterations inclines me to believe that they won’t. You could’ve had Thunderbird offer a WebUI, allowing users to access their personal information via an https:// webpage hosted locally. You could’ve had an easier-to-use network calendar setup, so that people could host their own calendars instead of putting their schedule on the cloud, for all (marketers) to see. You could’ve made an easier path for Thunderbird users to migrate their data from Outlook (this feature about ten billion years ago probably would’ve increased adoption of Thunderbird). You could’ve integrated the Lightning calendar add-on directly into Thunderbird. You could’ve made Gmail-like threaded conversations the default. You could’ve made Thunderbird sync with Thunderbird easily. You could’ve made Android and iOS versions of Thunderbird that would synchronize with the desktop versions, over USB, over the network, and even over the internet.

It saddens me to see Mozilla give up so easily. Firefox may be important, but it’s in a sector that’s pretty competitive. Thunderbird… is the only option for those seeking a desktop e-mail client. Outlook is garbage. Pure garbage.
51
Pingback from Mozilla calling it quits on Thunderbird, report says | Partners In Sublime

[...] Foundation Chair Mitchell Baker on Monday afternoon. It seems the post, which focuses on the Thunderbird’s stability and community, was published today (after TechCrunch’s report was published). The news release is expected [...]
52
Pingback from Mozilla: “Thunderbird a manos de la comunidad” | Shft

[...] sus recursos y dedicarse a productos donde pueden ser disruptivos y matar otros productos, bueno, Mitchell Baker el jefe de la Fundación Mozilla aclara que no “matan Thunderbird” sino que “van a darle soporte de seguridad y [...]
53
Pingback from So, That’s It For Thunderbird | De Applicious

[...] Update: Oh look, a blog post just went up. [...]
54
Pingback from Macroblog Base10 » Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
55
SoulKEEPER said on July 6th, 2012 at 6:23 pm:

Amazing.. after years of effort Mozzy finally gets it right only give up and quit. Sorry, we are not all using vapor email and some of have moved from Microsoft projects to Thunderbird. Yep, perfect move.. not!
56
JoeS said on July 6th, 2012 at 6:24 pm:

In my view, innovation in Thunderbird stopped with the html vs. plaintext controversy.
A stalemate , some would say, yet we claimed to support html, while not allowing a newsgroup to promote/explain how to send clean html. CSS support in composing mail is much in the same boat.
Innovation pretty much equates to the ability to be creative in email.
With a lack of support tools to do this in email, there is no wonder why folks choose other means to communicate.
If we are falling back to an ESR structure, maybe it’s time to “fork” the neglected editor code and add some bells and whistles, like some built-in JS functions like scrolling or mouseovers.
I started following TB 7-8 years ago to see those kinds innovations encouraged and promoted. Instead, I have seen a stale product in that regard.
57
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | De Applicious

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email this | Comments This entry was posted in Apple.Rich by Engadget [...]
58
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | The Worlds Tech Blog

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email this | <a [...]
59
Pingback from So, That’s It For Thunderbird | Startup Help

[...] Update: Oh look, a blog post just went up. [...]
60
Steve Prior said on July 6th, 2012 at 6:29 pm:

I’ve been using Thunderbird and its predecessor Mozilla since I think the mid 90′s, I don’t even know what else is out there for standalone IMAP mail. I’d hate for Thunderbird to go away.
61
Pingback from Engadget |

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
62
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | Tomlia Services

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
63
Tario said on July 6th, 2012 at 6:39 pm:

Sad indeed. I was always waiting for the day that native syncing of address books would be built in to Thunderbird. I know there are add-ons, but none of them seem to work completely & without a hiccup here & there. It would have been great to find ways to sync everything native, whether it was the address book or the calendar.

I’ll keep using Thunderbird because it is still the best client out there, but I’ll be sad to see it go when it does fade away. Damn, this really & truly sucks.
64
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community -by Jon Fingas - Will Kirkpatrick

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
65
Smapdi said on July 6th, 2012 at 6:49 pm:

Alarming. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYqMKGrZY8g
66
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | | Funny NewsFunny News

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
67
Pingback from Mozilla calling it quits on Thunderbird, report says | Jadtechnic

[...] Foundation Chair Mitchell Baker on Monday afternoon. It seems the post, which focuses on the Thunderbird’s stability and community, was published today (after TechCrunch’s report was published). The news release is expected [...]
68
Jason SW said on July 6th, 2012 at 6:57 pm:

I’m extremely disappointed in this decision. As a visually impaired advanced computer user/programmer, I find it much easier to use a desktop client, not only because it helps me check multiple accounts from one place, but webmail is just clunkier. It’s not as easy to get things done, at least for me. I really hope Mozilla will (eventually) realise what a mistake this decision is, and how much more they could still do with Thunderbird.
69
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | Hi-Tech Centre

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email this | Comments Be Sociable, Share! Tweet [...]
70
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | i-Newz

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email this | Comments Categories: Electronics « Download the Mass [...]
71
Tony Henderson said on July 6th, 2012 at 7:01 pm:

I just dumped – about three months ago – both Thunderbird and Firefox because of what became too regular scripting problems where the programms would just not shut down nor finish working on weiard scripts and I found Opera faster etc, and Outlook express very stable but without the features of Thunderbird.
Such is life

Thanks to all involved though

Regards

Tony
tonyhen # humanist.org.hk
72
Pingback from Mozilla calling it quits on Thunderbird, report says | Web Guide

[...] Foundation Chair Mitchell Baker on Monday afternoon. It seems the post, which focuses on the Thunderbird’s stability and community, was published today (after TechCrunch’s report was published). The news release is expected [...]
73
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | Android News

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email this | Comments Source: Engadget More Android News You Might [...]
74
Asa Dotzler said on July 6th, 2012 at 7:10 pm:

I moved over exclusively to Mozilla Mail (the predecessor to Thunderbird) before even the core developers would trust it for their daily use (as mscott and sspitzer, it’s true.) That was 1999 and I’ve been using nightly builds ever since. No mail client, desktop or web-based, can rival Thunderbird for my specific needs (though PostBox, a Thunderbird-based product, was close until they changed the vertical view.)

But I’m part of a decreasing population. Every year, more and more of even my “oldschool” friends and colleagues have migrated to to web-based solutions. Some are living mostly in web alternatives to Thunderbird like Gmail or Y!mail. Others are using social networks like Facebook for just about all of their communications. Yet others are mixing and matching three or four different messaging services. Regardless of the specific choices, the trend is clear to me and has been for years. More and more people are doing messaging on the web and fewer and fewer are doing it from a legacy email client.

If Mozilla had infinite resources and focus, I’d want them to keep investing heavily in Thunderbird — even if I was the only Thunderbird user on the planet (I did say if Mozilla has infinite resources.) But I have first hand experience with resourcing and focus trade-offs across Mozilla projects and products and so I understand the shift to a sustaining mode rather than an innovation mode for Thunderbird and I think it’s the the right thing to do.

I will continue to use Thunderbird for as long as it is secure and stable or until a better (for my specific use cases) solution comes along. I’ll continue to test nightly or any other pre-release builds and file bugs for any regressions that creep in and any bugs I think should be fixed for stability and security. I may even find a way to contribute to some front-end polish issues that have been bothering me for a long time.

If you’re like me, and you just aren’t ready, for what ever reason, to move your messaging to a Web application, I encourage you to get on testing builds and call out regressions when they happen and if you’ve got the skills to do it, make some patches and help keep Thunderbird moving forward.

Also, I have some UI mock-ups that I think would really give Thunderbird a nice facelift without any serious functionality changes. If you’re a JS hacker and willing to learn a bit about XUL (or already know it,) I’d love to chat.
75
James R Barton said on July 6th, 2012 at 7:15 pm:

Sad news. Most web-based email clients are very poor substitutes for a cl;ient-app like Thunderbird. It is the best available and I hope you are true to your word and don’t kill it outright. Sad to see the course computing has taken over the past few years. Hope to see something new to renew and rekindle the spirit of computing.
76
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community -- Engadget

[...] Lizard Wrangling Leave A Comment Email This app, apps, client, community, community [...]
77
Rich said on July 6th, 2012 at 7:25 pm:

“is Thunderbird a likely source of innovation and of leadership in today’s Internet life? ”

Really? This is what y’all sit around comntemplating? Someone’s been partaking in a bit much o’ the weed …

I will simply never use mail in the cloud, personally or in any client or corporate deployments. If you haven’t a clue why not, there’s simply no hope.

I use TBird on Linux. It was a refreshing & functional alternative to the complete disaster that I found KDE 4.x’s pim/mail to be.

Despite still being a bit lumpy around the edges, the promise of a new Addressbook, better calendar integration, mobile sync, etc. in future dev made sticking with TBird not just viable — but exciting.

The similar look-n-feel to Firefox, similar upgrade/update mechanisms, and a common code base if/when you need to build, is what _drives_ sticking with Firefox for me/us.

The moment that the future of TBird’s flushed — as I am convinced it is being here (reallocating resources? Riiiiiight … ) — the reasons for preferentially using Firefox are greatly dimished, if not outright eliminated.

From a business perspective — I’m astonished that there’s never been a mechanism, or opportunity, to pay for a commercially supported Tbird. Entreaties to ‘get involved’ ring rather hollow, and are at best suspect, when they come on the heels of “Oh, by the way, we’re about to pull the rug out from under you …”

I’ll be dusting off my Chromium install RealSoonNow. The moment anyone comes out with a reliable, long-term supported, cross-platform (that’s Linux too, btw) mail product — and can manage to do so without these sorts of shenanigans — charge for it. We’ll come in droves.
78
Pingback from Mozilla möchte die aktive Thunderbird-Entwicklung aufgeben - Sören Hentzschel

[...] Öffentlichkeit gelangt ist, wurde Mozilla dadurch mehr oder weniger zu einer früher als geplanten Stellungnahme [...]
79
Pingback from La Fundación Mozilla dejará de desarrollar Thunderbird

[...] Link: Mozilla [...]
80
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | Best Streaming players

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email this | Comments [...]
81
Victor Vilche said on July 6th, 2012 at 7:35 pm:

I can’t believe that Mozilla is abandoning us.

Is this for real?, if so this is a really sad day.
82
Pingback from Mozilla Thunderbirdは結局こういうことに（詳しくは本文を）

[...] Thunderbirdに関してMozillaが構想している統治モデルの詳細は、月曜日にここで発表される。並行してMozilla Foundationの理事長Mitchell Bakerのブログポストも発表されるだろう〔すでに発表〕。 [...]
83
Pingback from So, That’s It For Thunderbird | Avalio Blog

[...] Update: Oh look, a blog post just went up. [...]
84
Rich said on July 6th, 2012 at 7:42 pm:

@ https://www.mozilla.org/about/mission.html

“… we define success in terms of building communities and enriching people’s lives instead of benefiting shareholders …”

———– cut -n- email to mozilla here ———–
[ ] WTF ?
[ ] LMFAO
[ ] Please tell my boss, “Don’ Worry, be Happy! The community will support it”
——————————————————-
85
Jeff Mings said on July 6th, 2012 at 7:50 pm:

This was shocking to read. Thunderbird is a TERRIFIC email client. When used in conjunction with the Lightning calendar add-in, it’s a viable alternative to Outlook. I’ve deployed it to literally hundreds of primarily Windows users, but also for a number of Mac and Linux users that I support. I really hope that it doesn’t get messed up. I love my Thunderbird.
86
Pingback from Mozilla cuts down on its Thunderbird development | Blog

[...] Source: Mitchell Baker’s blog If you enjoyed this article, please consider sharing it! [...]
87
Pingback from Mozilla dejará de desarrollar Thunderbird Noticias

[...] la información se filtró, Mozilla publicó el post del anuncio hoy, señalando que no dejarán abandonados al alrededor de 20 millones de usuarios que tiene el [...]
88
dbcooper said on July 6th, 2012 at 7:56 pm:

If you want to contribute to Thunderbird in order to improve its UX, then the “parity with Postbox” meta-bug would be a good place to start.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737347
89
Pingback from Mozilla прекращает разработку почтового клиента Thunderbird | | CopyBase.RU - Интересное из сетиCopyBase.RU — Интересное из сети

[...] Бейкер, председатель Фонда Мозилла написала в своем блоге, что Mozilla прекращает разработку и ведение проекта [...]
90
Rich said on July 6th, 2012 at 8:02 pm:

> “parity with Postbox”

My Linux:(Mac + Windows) ratio is currently ~20:1, and increasing, across several thousand desktops.

We’d repeatedly tried to pay Postbox for a Linux version. Their response was, basically — ‘not interested’. Really nice solution on Mac/Windows, tho — and we pay for it there. That’s certainly on-hold til I understand this better.

With Postbox still (completely?) dependent on TBird development, I’m very interested …
91
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community – Technology Revue

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email this | Comments Tags: community development, firefox, firefoxos, [...]
92
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | Community Of The Year

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email this | Comments Like this Article? Share it! Tweet [...]
93
Pingback from La Fundación Mozilla dejará de desarrollar Thunderbird | Web Gratis Argentina

[...] Link: Mozilla [...]
94
Pingback from Mozilla calling it quits on Thunderbird, report says - Latest Technology - News & Articles

[...] Foundation Chair Mitchell Baker on Monday afternoon. It seems the post, which focuses on the Thunderbird’s stability and community, was published today (after TechCrunch’s report was published). The news release is expected [...]
95
Pingback from Mozilla Tells Thunderbird Users ‘Our Work Here Is Done’ - Latest Technology - News & Articles

[...] Mozilla Chair Mitchell Baker explains in a blog post: Much of Mozilla’s leadership — including that of the Thunderbird team — has [...]
96
Danny said on July 6th, 2012 at 8:11 pm:

This is sad news. I use Thunderbird daily to aggregate all of my email addresses, and to make them all available to me offline, as I don’t have the fortune of living in part of the world with ubiquitos Internet. For that reason, I also used Lightning to cache my Google calendars for offline use (as well as a more pleasant interface). I understand that I’m an eccentric, that I am in the minority of computer users who value control and security. I understand Mozilla’s decision, and I can’t blame you all for it, but I am saddened by it. Regardless, my sincere thanks to the Mozilla team for Thunderbird. I plan to ride the Thunderbird and Lightning well into the sunset.
97
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | energizer67

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
98
Pingback from Torrent News » Thunderbird to Slow Down Development, Focus on "Security and Stability" Only [Thunderbird]

[...] Thunderbird: Stability and Community Innovation | Mitchell’s Blog [...]
99
dbcooper said on July 6th, 2012 at 8:35 pm:

Hi Rich, thanks for the feedback. The best place to start a discussion on obtaining UX parity with Postbox is on the Thunderbird Development google group:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird

If you have specific feature requests or comments on features then you can add them to the meta-bug linked above.

Cheers,

DB.
100
Pingback from Mozilla叫停Thunderbird：只做安全维护_互联网资讯最新报道_野火集

[...] 在官方博客中，Mozilla 基金会主席Mitchell Baker表示：“很多Mozilla领导层人士，包括Thunderbird团队的领导人，都认为，持续的稳定性才是最重要的事情，而为 Thunderbird继续提供创新开发已经不是Mozilla产品努力的优先事件。” [...]
101
Pingback from ThunderBird (Email Client) project becoming more open | API

[...] more heavily upon the global community to provide leadership and innovation for the project. http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2012/07/06/thunderbird-stability-and-community-innovation/ I am not comfortable with leaving all my private corporate e-mail on someone else’s [...]
102
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | Varsity Team

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
103
Rich said on July 6th, 2012 at 8:54 pm:

@dbcooper

With ‘official’ TBird development being disassembled, discusssing it at “Thunderbird Development google group” seems … not likley to provide a good “ROI”, and just a bit ironic.

It’s not just feature parity that we’re interested in, it’s a predictable future/roadmap/release schedule/etc. You know, kinda like Firefox. In short — managed risk.

It’s the resources of a ‘corporate entity’ (Mozilla, Postbox, etc) standing behind — not abandoning — a community that provides that. Apache products without Apache are a completely different critter. TBird without Mozilla — now/soon, or someone else eventually — is a bad risk.

Mozilla *could* have worked to land the product in good hands. To my read, it’s chosen not to, but rather to simply parachute it into ‘community’, with a wave and a heartfelt cheer of ‘don’t let the door hit you in the a__ on the way out’ …

The TBird team was building a fine product – esp >= v3! – in spite of its nonprofit-corporate-overlord. Personally, I’d not be overly thrilled if I was one of them. Anyone see any headhunters circling yet ?
104
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community - Just another WordPress site - MasFajar

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
105
Rich said on July 6th, 2012 at 9:25 pm:

@ http://mikeconley.ca/blog/2012/07/06/no-thats-not-it-for-thunderbird/

“Y U No Contribute?”

There’s an inherent presumption that we haven’t.
The critique of our ‘overreaction’ ignores the years of having input/contributions/etc frequently, not always by any stretch, ignored.
Some of ‘us’ have very possibly been small-&-insignificant to big-&-key parts of this community for longer that some of ‘them’ have been developing it.
It also conveniently ignores the LAST episode(s) of TBird’s “Oh, hey, we’re killing it! No, we’re spinning it off! No, just kidding! It’s back home because we care”.

Is it ‘overreaction’ to consider that history, note this latest development, and really wonder whether this is the right place to ‘contribute’ — whether it’s continued or new ?

OpenOffice v. LibreOffice. Just sayin’.

Dismissing our concerns as ‘overreaction’ is, imo, a great example of tone-deafness.
106
Pingback from 龙猫 » Thunderbird 移入 ESR 状态

[...] 消息来源：Mitchell Baker 博客 [...]
107
Pingback from Thunderbird Nu Mai Este O Prioritate Pentru Mozilla [Email] | anduzzu

[...] Utilizatorii clientului de mail Thunderbird pot fi ingrijorati pentru ca vestile care au aparut din partea Mozilla nu sunt tocmai placute pentru ei. Anuntul a fost facut astazi, in conditiile unor scurgeri de informatii din interior, de catre presedintele Fundatiei Mozilla Mitchell Baker prin intermediul unui articol pe blogul personal. [...]
108
Pingback from Coax Interactive Media Services » Interactive Media Solutions & Services Partner » Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email this | Comments View article: Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving [...]
109
Pingback from Mozilla calling it quits on Thunderbird, report says July 7 2012 05 05 - Free 7 News

[...] Foundation Chair Mitchell Baker upon Monday afternoon. It seems the post, that focuses upon the Thunderbird’s fortitude as well as community, was published currently (after TechCrunch’s inform was published). The news recover is [...]
110
Gill Bates said on July 6th, 2012 at 10:19 pm:

Really Mozilla? The world doesn’t need an actively developed free open source email client? There is more need for a yet another mobile OS that will fail miserably? How about making Fennec not suck so much instead? Why isn’t that a priority? Native Android Fennec has like 10 compatible add-ons so far. Where is add-on builder for mobile? Settings menu is a joke compared to desktop Firefox, you can’t even see your cookies. Session management? Private browsing? Why can’t I disable this annoying reading list thing? Bookmark folders? Why are you wasting resources on an OS project doomed to fail when you could continue working on a mail client that the world needs and put more effort into Mobile Firefox which should be your most important product right now?
111
Brian C said on July 6th, 2012 at 10:27 pm:

It sounds like the message is: we’ll provide the infrastructure to allow the community to continue innovating with Thunderbird, but don’t expect Mozilla staff to do much more than security fixes. That’s really not the same as “killing” Thunderbird or “halting” further development.

I happen to disagree that there isn’t room for innovation in Thunderbird and within standalone email clients generally–I use Thunderbird every day and I have frustrations with various parts of it every day. There are hundreds of way it can be dramatically improved.

But now the message is: it’s time for the community to put up or shut up. That’s not totally unreasonable for Mozilla to say, it’s just disappointing given that they’re wrong about the innovative possibilities that remain.
112
Rich said on July 6th, 2012 at 10:40 pm:

“put up or shut up” …

Like darn-near begging them to build, support & *charge for* a functional alternative to Outlook?

Firefox — and every browser for that matter — is a convenience. 20 other good-enuf-ways to fill the need. Well, users’ needs — not necessarily those using the browser to push the “advertising revenue stream”.

Otoh, mail that is reliable, secure, and works, is a critical part of functional workflow. No not the ‘innovative’ social-media workflow with which I notify my 200 BFFs in my ‘Internet life’ that my cat rolled over — in 140-characters or less — but the workflow on which team, clients, prospects, etc are built and depend.

Of course, it’s Mozilla’s prerogative do what they want with ‘their’ product …
113
Test22 said on July 6th, 2012 at 10:58 pm:

The main problem i see is there really isn’t any good alternative FOSS mail client we could use because there are some but just don’t work reliable and if there is no more ambition to innovate then well this is beginning of the end for Thunderbird. Imagine FF would stop to innovate probably few month latter and nobody would use it any more it’s a bit different with mail client but still in the end after some time it will just become outdated and not used anymore.

I am not happy and i always thought Thunderbird will eventually bring more corporate extended connectivity to the market but it never did and i guess now it newer will. The only positive outcome i see somebody else could try harder now and let’s hope it will not fail too.
114
Pingback from Mozilla to wave goodbye to Thunderbird development | t-break: Tech @ Its Fastest

[...] for a while now, giving users an alternative to email programs such as Outlook. Sadly though in a blog post published by Mitchell Baker, head of the Mozilla Foundation, the company announced that it would be [...]
115
Pingback from Mozilla shoots down Thunderbird, hatches new release model | Technology News

[...] announcement, which was made in a blog post by Mozilla Foundation chair Mitchell Baker on Friday afternoon, suggests a major restructuring of [...]
116
JamesD said on July 6th, 2012 at 11:09 pm:

It’s a prudent decision but I fear one made too late. Hopefully the re-allocation of resources will keep Mozilla relevant in today’s world. These types of email clients are so dated now that we are a more mobile community.
117
Silvia said on July 6th, 2012 at 11:14 pm:

I seem to be reading this blog differently to others and I for one welcome the focus on solidifying Thunderbird. Of all the applications that I use on my Mac, whenever I hear my fan go on and my machine goes hot, it’s always Thunderbird. I’ve seen too many innovations in recent years and not enough focus on stability. I welcome less crashes – the features that my mail reader has are more than sufficient!
118
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community - MMA And UFC News

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
119
Pingback from pseudotecnico:blog » Sul (non) futuro di Thunderbird

[...] post di Mitchell Baker Thunderbird: Stability and Community Innovation We’ve asked the question about Thunderbird and ongoing innovation a number of times. We’ve [...]
120
pheldespat said on July 6th, 2012 at 11:27 pm:

Many Firefox users — including many savvy ones — have come to the conclusion that on-going stability is the most important thing, and that continued innovation in Firefox should not be a priority for Mozilla’s product efforts.
121
Pingback from Stop developing Mozilla Thunderbird | Tech News Pedia

[...] the information is filtered, Mozilla released the ad post today, saying that not fail abandoned at about 20 million users who have this [...]
122
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | Melard

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
123
Donn said on July 6th, 2012 at 11:53 pm:

Very sad to think of TB bitrotting away – I use it on my two (nix) machines as it’s MUCH better than any other email client out there (as of 2012).

Web mail interfaces like gmail are ok – but:
1. They don’t let me move as quickly. The browser is slower than the email client.
2. I can open a new mail (on a hot key I assigned) in any desktop I happen to be in.
3. I can attach files by drag/drop without hassles.
4. An address book that is *here* on my machine – not in some cloud. I can use it from other apps, I can back it up.

This is an unhappy day. I just hope I can keep running TB for a long time to come.
124
Pingback from » Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community Gamez Menu

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
125
Pingback from Mozilla Giving Up on Thunderbird - Techbeast.net

[...] current state and allows the Thunderbird community to innovate if it chooses. – LizardwranglerIt was only a few releases ago that Canonical started shipping Thunderbird as the default email [...]
126
Pingback from Mozilla Thunderbird vor dem Aus | holgermetzger.de

[...] ihrem Blog-Eintrag beschreibt Mitchell Baker die neuen Pläne: Thunderbird ist demnach gewissermaßen [...]
127
Eponymous said on July 7th, 2012 at 12:13 am:

Sad to hear. I was expecting it to be used in your phoneOS and also be ported in iOS and Android so that we can have a trully cross platform solution.

Quite a bad decision i think.
128
Pingback from M-A-O-L » Thunderbird No More

[...] Mozilla announced that Thunderbird will no longer be actively developed by the Mozilla folks. Because they don’t see innovation in the email fat client space. Coincidentally I stopped using Thunderbird a couple months ago in favor of a Roundcube based webmail solution for my private email needs (corporate is still Outlook), so I would tend to agree. [...]
129
Pingback from iPhoneNation.com: Apple News and Technology Insiders – So, That’s It For Thunderbird

[...] Update: Oh look, a blog post just went up. [...]
130
Pingback from 1081009 | ยุทธศาสตร์ใหม่ Thunderbird เน้นเสถียรภาพ ไม่เน้นฟีเจอร์ | ร้อยแปดพันเก้า.com

[...] ที่มา – Thunderbird/Proposal: New Release and Governance Model, Thunderbird: Stability and Community Innovation [...]
131
Phobeus said on July 7th, 2012 at 12:54 am:

You must be kidding. There are still lots of users out there that don’t trust in clouds or storing their mails on their providers. Especially on Linux, thunderbird is one of the best mail clients available and you going to kick it? It was a very painful way to advertise thunderbird in companies within the last years and as a user of the first moment I am deeply disappointed by the Foundation. You’re increasing the rate of releases and complains then on putting your localization teams under pressure?

For sure, you just lost a long-time donator of the foundation. You’re moving for some years into the wrong direction and just hit the top with this decision.
132
Torsten said on July 7th, 2012 at 1:00 am:

Thunderbird is an important factor for many players to stay open. In a world where more and more services are transferrred to proprietary plattforms, it’s often only the email gateway, that makes information available long after the platform is gone.

E.G. Google Mail cannot lose my emails, because I store them locally. I don’t have to install Facebook calendar apps that need to read my birthday and the birthday of my friends if I can mail the information to my account, that is instantly stored on my computer.

Thunderbird is an important part to keep the web open.
133
Pingback from Mozilla Thunderbird. Arrêt du développement sur l'innovation

[...] risquent bien de se faire attendre longtemps. Mitchell Baker de la Fondation Mozilla a écrit un article officiel à ce sujet. On se souvient que Mozilla avait ajouté quelques partenaires au sein de Thunderbird permettant [...]
134
Pingback from Thunderbird To Slow Down Development, Focus On ‘Security And Stability’ Only | Lifehacker Australia

[...] Thunderbird: Stability and Community Innovation [Mitchell's Blog] [...]
135
Pingback from Com-SL » Cambios en el desarrollo y futuro de Thunderbird

[...] http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2012/07/06/thunderbird-stability-and-community-innovation/ Comparte en:Share Mozilla Thunderbird [...]
136
Pingback from Mozilla dejará de desarrollar Thunderbird | SONSEMAR NOTICIAS

[...] la información se filtró, Mozilla publicó el post del anuncio hoy, señalando que no dejarán abandonados al alrededor de 20 millones de usuarios que [...]
137
rgloor said on July 7th, 2012 at 2:05 am:

Ooohhh NO!

I think, Thunderbird could have had much more success if the development would have set the focus right:

Main FOCUS should have been on getting the basic needs covered:
Keep in mind, the expectation was set by a product like MS Outlook.
So a better Address Book, with better interoperability and synchronisation (google calendar, google contacts, exchange, CardDAV, CalDAV, etc., as well as proper integration of Lightning in the basic package (not an add-on).

Only then resources should have been put on “innovations” like the tabs on top.

If those basic functions would have been implemented, many from the corporate world would have adopted Thunderbird. Many companies (especially SMBs) were trying to get away from the claws of M$.

And I don’t believe that everybody only wants online services. The oposite: More and more people are loosing trust in services like google, facebook, etc.
That is why projects like ownCloud are so successful.

I for my part still want to have my main communication and planning tool (like Thunderbird -> eMail client, with Address Book, Calendar, ToDo’s and Notes) on the local machine.
However, synchronized into my own cloud (ownCloud).

But there is still hope.

If Mozilla now gets things like a proper Address Book sorted out, most parts are there.

So: OK, don’t over-innovate.
But get this basic functions sorted out, users were asking for many years.

Greetings from Switzerland,

a longtime Thunderbird user.
138
Gerd Nachtsheim said on July 7th, 2012 at 2:07 am:

This is a sad decision and it is indeed a very bad decision, too. You may, of course, follow the hype of the cloud believers and turn the browser into a multi-level-cloud-swiss-army-knife-tool with Email stored in the ubiquitous cloud. Then you will find your place in the “me, too” list of tools-formerly-known-as-browsers of tomorrow. I predict that the #1 spot of that list will never ever be Mozilla’s.

If interest in TB was shrinking so quickly and you didn’t get the right answers to your question “why..?”, then you may have asked the wrong questions. I am sure that the number of people who do NOT want to save their email archives (and calendars for that matter) in the cloud will always be big enough to justify further TB development. Even more, I think that this number will be growing for many good reasons given in many postings here.
139
Andreas Grupp said on July 7th, 2012 at 2:18 am:

So sag to hear this! I think it is definitely not a good decision. Indeed a lot of people only use web clients to read their mails. But also a lot of users, especially those more confident with IT use dedicated desktop mail clients. I agree with a lot of other posters to this article: Thunderbird should be one of the core applications from Mozilla! It is one of the best programs and only lacks some standards. I already have Lightning in use since long time. But for example Lightning should be a core component of Thunderbird. The addressbook should support CardDAV also without additional plugins. This decision is not good! Thunderbird together with add-ons like Lightning and Enigmail is absolutely needed! Please think again about this.

Greetings from Germany.
140
John Smith said on July 7th, 2012 at 2:39 am:

Thunderbird is a great product. I just hope Mozilla reconsiders this decision.
141
Mac Alb said on July 7th, 2012 at 2:46 am:

Hi there.

Just an idea: Perhaps money is the solution. We know, that many users of TB want network capabilities. Calculate p.e. an amount of 1.5 Million Dollar to realize this feature. Start an account “TB-network-capabilities” and prompt all interested users worldwide to give … 1 Dollar or Euro. If only 5 million people want this feature, they will pay. Then you can pay your employees for making this feature become real. And there it left money for more – perhaps the second great whish of the TB-community.
And yes – those who didnt pay have the advantage too. How terrible!-) But 1 Dollar is negligible for the individual and the whole project profits. Roll on!

Greetings from Germany
142
Paul [sabret00the] said on July 7th, 2012 at 2:46 am:

I’m really disappointed because I’ve been looking forward to the Android version and now it seems like ti won’t happen. Thunderbird never got the traction it deserved on desktop and I even just read somewhere that some people thought that with sync, a Web App version would emerge. Anyway, I wrote my thoughts about Thunderbird* a little while back.

* https://s00techified.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/soo-is-it-possible-to-arrive-at-any-other-conclusion-than-thunderbird-is-doomed/
143
Anonymous said on July 7th, 2012 at 2:48 am:

@Mike Kamermans
>I don’t quite understand all these comments… Thunderbird’s not getting cancelled,
Don’t fool yourself, the community won’t be able to keep up with regular Gecko updates, not to mention the current code complexity. See what happened to K-meleon, Camino and others. Besides, how can Mozilla reliably supply security updates for code it’s not familiar with, since no staff developers will be working on it? Every six weeks you’ll get Chrome-like updates except that they’ll basically have nothing.

When the ESR reaches its EOL Mozilla may (or will, IMHO) say “sorry folks, there weren’t any significant contributions but you’re free to take the code and move to SourceForge/Gitorious/whatever”. Like it or not, this is just the first step.

> doesn’t say anything about moving thunderbird to the cloud
Thunderbird won’t be moving to the cloud, it’ll just be going nowhere fast. But Mozilla is assuming people will use web interfaces for their mail and thinking they’d rather aim for the mobile market. Chrome destabilized Mozilla and now they’re worried because all mobile OSs come with a default browser. Add to that the fact that Firefox hasn’t been doing well on Android (read the comments on Google Play). So the idea seems to be an OS for low end smartphone devices of $50-$100 for developing countries with everything in HTML5/CSS/JavaScript. The problem is that Android is almost there. I’m afraid Firefox OS will look seriously ugly in comparison and won’t stand a chance (check what happened with Chromebooks, webapps are not ready to take on native apps).

> It’s not cancelled, it’s not “moving to the cloud”, it’s not even abandoned by the people
> who work on it. Did people even read this post?
You should read between the lines. It’s not cancelled (yet), it’s abandoned. The community won’t be able to contribute in a significant manner and the project will be shut down, just a matter of time. Which is sad because Thunderbird is, IMHO, very useful to keep the not just the Web but the Internet free and open and it’s also precisely something with which Mozilla can make a difference (think Enigmail, Lightning).

Competition from Chrome shouldn’t make Mozilla lose its focus. Having 25 people for UI design to basically copy Chrome but not even 3 devs for Thunderbird which has lots of rooms for improvements to compete with Exchange tells me you’re using your resources badly. Guys, focus on your core strengths before it’s too late and fight the battles you can win: Firefox, Thunderbird, and a good browser on Android.
144
PPC-User said on July 7th, 2012 at 2:53 am:

I am afraid I don’t get the point.

Developing an innovative wheel could be difficult as well. If you complain about the lack of users why did you cut out x-thousands of PPC-Mac users?

In Germany they want to establish a new email service called “E-Postbrief” based on federal rules for delivering “secure mail” substituting registered snail mail and official notifications. They will charge postage for this “service” for each sent mail. That is the only “innovation” for the last years I know with regards to email.

Why don’t you establish and promote a similar world wide public service structure instead of leaving the market to Outlook products? This would be innovative. And bring back the PPC-Users in the Mozilla-boat. This would be innovative as well.

And as long as they don’t invent some new letters or a new time/date- system there is no need for innovation but evolution and integration in every available (and still used) OS.
145
Pingback from Today’s Links | Discommunication

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
146
Topperfalkon said on July 7th, 2012 at 3:19 am:

*sighs*

I love all the reactionary comments here. The way I read it, development on Thunderbird has not stopped, but that current development priorities have shifted to making Thunderbird a more secure and stable platform. This does not eliminate the possibility for a refocus to innovative development down the line and in fact they support the community getting involved to do some of the innovating. There’s nothing particularly wrong with that. If you think of a particular feature you think Thunderbird is missing and needs, why not get involved and make that change?

Thunderbird isn’t going anywhere, and I for one will welcome future stability and security enhancements. In the meantime, I’m not going anywhere either, as Thunderbird is the only decent mail client that supports PGP signing and encryption, a feature that I need and use on a daily basis.
147
Gerd Nachtsheim said on July 7th, 2012 at 3:33 am:

Lets be real, the main concern behind this decision is the lack of ideas how to monetize on TB. Someone has to pay for the main development.

With such a big and loyal long-term user base (given something like 20M TB users or more is close to reality) there should be a feasible plan that goes beyond file-link. E.g. Improve Lightning/Calendar and you’ll be open to much more opportunities.

It is hard to believe that TB has become a dead end street.
148
Gabriel Werner said on July 7th, 2012 at 3:52 am:

Our whole company is using Thunderbird, with Windows and Linux.. please don’t let Thunderbird die like that.. there is so much more you could do and make it the best client ever (I thnk it is already if you install some addons)!

It’s okay to make Interfaces to different Systems, but it’s not okay to end it like that!

We all want Thunderbird, why do you do this?
There are people, who don’t like to have all their E-Mails in the cloud..

If you make that move and say you don’t really develop at Thunderbird anymore, why do you think the community would have the faith and develop at a product which is officially dead?

That is so wrong..
149
Robert said on July 7th, 2012 at 3:54 am:

- TB my flagship for handling emails
- I do not have an account with gmail or such.
- And there are so many nice productivity plugins available…. I’d miss all this a lot.
150
Christophe Humbert said on July 7th, 2012 at 4:05 am:

Hello

As many I am a bit saddened by this decision even if I could understand the need to allocate the resources to more important project for the Foundation.

In terms of innovation for email:
- Fully support corporate environment should have been a goal and yes Exchange is heavily present here like it or not.
- Address book still not ‘integrated’ in the tab design
- Lightning not able to attach a local file to an event/ not able to support (the non compliant) update of recurring event when there is a time change, etc…
- UI quite old fashioned.

I do have very basic coding abilities, and I have participated notably in the Archive Feature of TB and made also one bug fix into Lightning and also gave money to Lighning…but to be honest progress on corporate integration are too slow and integrating in the thunderbird community is not simple, you have too distance yourself from very harsh comments when you are a newbie with limited times to devote to this and rusty coding abilities…That is what made me stop trying to contribute to both lighning adn TB at least on coding area.

Nevertheless, I hope that people would stay involved because even if it is not perfect, it is the best on Linux when you are working inside a coporate env.

Cheers
Christophe
151
Pingback from Mozilla calling it quits on Thunderbird, report says | Dubai News|Dubai Hotels|Dubai Business

[...] Foundation Chair Mitchell Baker on Monday afternoon. It seems the post, which focuses on the Thunderbird’s stability and community, was published today (after TechCrunch’s report was published). The news release is expected [...]
152
Pingback from Mozilla calling it quits on Thunderbird, report says | Software News & Review

[...] Foundation Chair Mitchell Baker on Monday afternoon. It seems the post, which focuses on the Thunderbird’s stability and community, was published today (after TechCrunch’s report was published). The news release is expected [...]
153
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | Tech Gadget

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
154
Sven said on July 7th, 2012 at 4:19 am:

That’s a joke, isn’t it?
As long as thunderbird does not implement real needed features (like a GroupDAV addressbook) instead of adding unnecessary features, you will always fail to read your aims…
Just my 2¢
155
Pingback from Mozilla planea importantes cambios en el futuro de Thunderbird | El Blog de @Fidelius22

[...] de su desarrollo activo según un artículo del Consejero de Mozilla Foundation, Mitchell Baker en un post en el blog. Thunderbird se va a dividir en dos tipos de versiones: Thunderbird ESR, cuya versión final será [...]
156
Kampfschmuser said on July 7th, 2012 at 4:30 am:

Leider eine Schweinerei.
157
Pingback from Thunderbird is Out of Our Priority Says Mozilla | TechCress

[...] LizardWrangler Related Posts:Install Thunderbird 11 In Ubuntu 11.10Top 4 Best Email Clients For Your Windows PCAll [...]
158
Hans said on July 7th, 2012 at 4:40 am:

Thunderbird is the best mail client and it was getting even better! it is really shocking seeing mozilla stepping aside. Clearly a mistake.
159
Pingback from Mozilla dejará de desarrollar Thunderbird « Noticias Venezuela

[...] la información se filtró, Mozilla publicó el post del anuncio hoy, señalando que no dejarán abandonados al alrededor de 20 millones de usuarios que tiene el [...]
160
Pingback from Mozilla Akan Menghentikan Pembangunan Untuk Thunderbird? | LinuxMalaya

[...] masa yang sama, Mozilla juga turut mengatakan yang mana aplikasi Thunderbird telah sedia menyokong pelbagai perkara dan fungsi yang dikehendaki [...]
161
Pingback from Mozilla entwickelt Thunderbird nicht mehr weiter » AddiscoVideo

[...] Nein – zumindest nicht nach dem Governance-Modell. Demnach zieht sich Mozilla lediglich aus der Entwicklung zurück, Sicherheits- und Stabilitätupdates sollen allerdings weiterhin alle sechs Wochen veröffentlicht werden. Laut Mozilla ist es ihnen nicht gelungen, Thunderbird als E-Mail-Client zu einem hoch innovativen Angebot zu machen und dem Nachrichtenaustausch im Internet neue Impulse zu geben, schreibt Mozilla-Chefin Mitchell Baker in einem Blogeintrag. [...]
162
Higi said on July 7th, 2012 at 4:57 am:

well I hope Firefox would be the next, you’re nothing but a failure company and no one need your software anyway I was using Opera and when chrome came I move to it so yea no one care…
163
Pingback from Mozilla abbandona Thunderbird: “non sarà più la nostra priorità” | Colombo'S Blog

[...] di Mozilla Mitchell Baker ha deciso di pubblicare le informazioni di questa decisione anche sul suo blog. Una lettera è stata inviata ai dipendenti di Mozilla con i dettagli sulla nuova strada da [...]
164
Peter Parker said on July 7th, 2012 at 5:06 am:

Better idea:

first step:
let 6 programmers work on TB fulltime. Completely integrate lightning, TB conversations, TB contacts. Integrate a feature to send emails at specific time (Send-it-later sucks)
In short: Make it a better Outlook.
-> your user base will double in 3 month.

second step:
Integrate a way to sync your contacts/calendar to android phones via usb. Many of us love cloud computing, but although we love it, we do not trust cloud computing. If you give the people a functional PIM manager that syncs with android
-> you will double your user base again.
(You might even get some funding from Sammy and HTC)

third step:
Make TB a full blown personal communications manager with chat, FB, Twitter support. But let it focus on people, not on emails. (a little like Raindrop)

-> you will double your user base again.
-> then you will be able to sell the top search engine spot in the TB communicator to GOOG or MSFT for big money.

Maybe, you think this is all B.. it may be.
but don’t tell us there is no way to innovate Thunderbird.

##################################################

Lets face it, Mozilla ! Thunderbird is your only product that is still class leading.
It is by far the best free desktop email client.
In the desktop browser market, Chrome has passed Firefox in terms of stability and security by a fair margin. My reason for using Firefox is the community driven port of Mozilla Ubiquity, another promising project you killed.
In the mobile browser market, Firefox for Android may have catched up in speed. But still, page rendering in horrible. Simple text reflow, like it is implemented in Opera, does not work.

So, Mozilla, is it really that smart to kill your only horse that is still winning ?
165
Pingback from Thunderbird ya no es una prioridad para Mozilla | The Last Blog

[...] Información | Blog Lizard Warngling En Genbeta | Cuatro alternativas de gestión de correos en [...]
166
Pingback from Aus für den Thunderbird: Keine neuen Funktionen mehr - Computerhilfen.de

[...] gelangt, Techcrunch zitiert die Original-Nachricht. Kurz nach der Veröffentlichung hat Mitchell Baker dann in ihrem Blog auch selbst über das geplante Aus für den Thunderbird [...]
167
Pingback from Mozilla dejará de desarrollar Thunderbird | Waimalao

[...] la información se filtró, Mozilla publicó el post del anuncio hoy, señalando que no dejarán abandonados al alrededor de 20 millones de usuarios que tiene el [...]
168
Gun said on July 7th, 2012 at 5:39 am:

Thunderbird is one of the best mail clients. I also was really shocked.
Clearly a mistake.
Maybe you develop a web based mail-client
with the same functionality as Thunderbird?
This would be clearly a progress…
169
Pingback from Mozilla abandona el desarrollo de Thunderbird y lo deja en manos de la comunidad | | Hosben.ComHosben.Com

[...] Esperamos que esta segunda etapa sea larga y fructífera. [Vía TechCrunch]Read | Permalink | Email [...]
170
Pingback from Mozilla annuncia: “Thunderbird non è più una nostra priorità” | IdeaGeek.it

[...] La notizia del giorno è che Mozilla ha diffuso un importante annuncio riguardante il client di posta Thunderbird. Inizialmente la notizia sarebbe dovuta essere annunciata lunedì, ma dal momento che è trapelata prima, il capo della Mozilla Foundation Mitchell Baker, ha deciso di pubblicare tutte le informazioni relative in un post sul suo blog ufficiale. [...]
171
Pingback from Mozilla abandona el desarrollo de Thunderbird y lo deja en manos de la comunidad | Open Technologies

[...] Esperamos que esta segunda etapa sea larga y fructífera. [Vía TechCrunch]Read | Permalink | Email [...]
172
Pingback from Mozilla abandona el desarrollo de Thunderbird y lo deja en manos de la comunidad | Noticias del mundo

[...] Esperamos que esta segunda etapa sea larga y fructífera. [Vía TechCrunch]Read | Permalink | Email [...]
173
Jeff said on July 7th, 2012 at 6:02 am:

@Higi

You’re an idiot mate, class-A one
174
Pingback from SeeYouLike » Mozilla ferma lo sviluppo di Thunderbird: il supporto continuerà » SeeYouLike

[...] priorità negli sforzi produttivi della Fondazione“, e rivelando l’intenzione di concentrare quelle risorse, economiche ed umane, sull’innovazione di altre soluzioni che potranno avere un impatto [...]
175
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email this | Comments VN:F [1.9.18_1163]please wait…Rating: 0.0/10 (0 [...]
176
Pingback from Thunderbird 13 und Feierabend – Deskmodder.de

[...] Klar das Mozilla jetzt das Firefox OS forciert. Klar das Mozilla kein Geld mit Thunderbird verdient. Aber gleich das Programm einstampfen? Hier noch ein Statement von Mozilla. [...]
177
Pingback from H Mozilla «παγώνει» το Thunderbird

[...] TechCrunch pcnea.blogspot.gr ’ pcnea.blogspot.gr Tags: [...]
178
anonymous said on July 7th, 2012 at 6:53 am:

And another bad decision of Mozilla. Another company which stops to produce what customers want (here: E-Mail client with included calendar and gpg features). Another failing company.

How about making a good decision and lay off Asa Dotzler, Jb Piacintino and Mitchell Baker and few other Mozilla destroyers?
179
Kalle Kruse said on July 7th, 2012 at 6:55 am:

A huge mistake. Webmail is not – and will never be – an option if you want to control who has access to your email, want wo use GPG and use multiple accounts in parallel. There is so much work left to do on Thunderbird beyond security fixes: lightning integration, address book and usability improvments …

I am disappointed, Mozilla! There would have been a different way.
180
Dave said on July 7th, 2012 at 6:59 am:

This is great news. In my opinion Thunderbird has been a real mess since the launch of Thunderbird 3. The addition of the new search/database was important; badly implemented but it allowed for Postbox to come along and improve on the UI for that backend.

And that brings me to my main point. Without Mozilla messing around with Thunderbird, the Postbox devs will be free to branch off and fix bugs themselves without the worry that Mozilla will re-introduce them. Presumably “security updates” means the Gecko engine, so it’s win-win for a Postbox user like me, and win-win for anyone moves to Postbox. Take it from me, Postbox is way ahead of Thunderbird 3 and later.
181
Geelo said on July 7th, 2012 at 7:00 am:

From what I just read from your post, you are saying that Thunderbird is only going to see security updates for a limited amount of time but no more “official” updates from the Thunderbird Mozilla dev team. This is “so wrong” on many levels.
The first is that there are many people who switched over to Thunderbird on Windows 7 when M$ dropped the “Windows Mail” client. That was a major win for Mozilla right there. The 2nd is there are many people using this client on different distro’s of Linux.
Sure.. I see in your post that people can start working on Thunderbird if they want to… but I’m not a web / app developer… I work in IT support (20 years now). If you don’t think supporting your applications in regards to updating them for the “long term” is necessary, why don’t you drop supporting Firefox as well? Right?.. Well sure why not.. isn’t that’s what’s next?!?!
182
Pingback from Mozilla abandonne les développements de Thunderbird | WebZeen

[...] C’est désormais officiel, la fondation Mozilla va abandonner les développements de nouvelles fonctionnalités pour son client mail phare Thunderbird comme exprimé par Mitchell Baker sur son blog. [...]
183
ed jaque said on July 7th, 2012 at 7:31 am:

I’ve tried this several times, and finally gave it up for its limited functions and slowness, when compared with em client. And later I gave up the em client too when I found it crashed more and more often and took longer and longer time to repair the database. Now I found foxmail the best even though the installer message is buggy on my pc. I’ve used it for one year. It’s fast, has the necessary (not many) functionalities, email, calender, to-do, etc. and stable.
184
Pingback from ImPuls.Name » Компания Mozilla прекращает разработку почтового клиента Thunderbird

[...] о прекращении разработки почтового клиента Thunderbird, аргументируя это тем, что очень многие пользователи уже давно [...]
185
daniel said on July 7th, 2012 at 7:40 am:

first – development/support for SeaMonkey more or less dropped
second – 3 month interval for new (enforced) major release in FireFox
third – Thunderbird feature development stopped

what will comes next ?
- drop Seamonkey & Thunderbird completely ?
- more changes to FireFox to become more and more useless?

I think time is coming to look for alternatives to FF & TB / SM.
186
Pingback from Mozilla comienza a abandonar el desarrollo de Thunderbird | conecti.ca

[...] Mozilla | Tech Crunch __spr_config = { pid: '4ebc5a7c396cef4da600001a', title: 'Mozilla comienza a [...]
187
badnews said on July 7th, 2012 at 7:53 am:

Bad news indeed. OWA, facebook, and iMessage are not my idea for the future of communication on the web. Thanks, mozilla. I miss galeon.
188
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | tekifeed.com – Gadget Feeds, Gadget News and more!

[...] Lizard Wrangling Email [...]
189
Pingback from Mozilla legt Thunderbird-Entwicklung auf Eis | Binzl Online

[...] Text-Quellen: lizardwrangler [...]
190
Pingback from Mozilla dejará de desarrollar Thunderbird, ahora dependerá de la comunidad | IntelDig

[...] información en: Blog Mozilla Firefox, Mozilla, [...]
191
Pingback from Mozilla interrompe desenvolvimento do Thunderbird | Limbotech

[...] mudar. Como efeito desta situação hoje observada no mundo da computação online, a Mozilla anunciou formalmente que vai enterrar seu cliente de e-mail open-source Thunderbird, após quase 9 anos de [...]
192
Gerry said on July 7th, 2012 at 9:05 am:

I have been using Thunderbird 2.0.0.20 on a 9x computer for many years due to its reliability and trustworthiness. I chose it specifically because no email virus could get into my Firefox without my own complicity.

Please upgrade the security updates and maintain Thunderbird even if it has no new innovations. In fact I find the new innovations to be distracting for the simple service I require for email.

Thanks for Listening.
Gerry
193
Padu said on July 7th, 2012 at 9:12 am:

Thunderbird is one of the best examples of the open source concept working.
As a steady Thunderbird user, it is disappointing to read this blog which basically seems to be not much more than marketing / PR approved speak for ‘we don’t really want do this anymore’.
So is Thunderbird going the way of Eudora? A phased, slow death spiral?
Web based email is NOT the answer to all email needs.

Mozilla dropping focus on Thunderbird will mean better user share for Microsoft’s Outlook.

Mozilla will do well to consider innovating on fusing the Thunderbird / Firefox interface without losing either functionality.
194
Pingback from Mozilla calling it quits on Thunderbird, report says | Monroe Tech

[...] Foundation Chair Mitchell Baker on Monday afternoon. It seems the post, which focuses on the Thunderbird’s stability and community, was published today (after TechCrunch’s report was published). The news release is expected [...]
195
Pingback from Fundação Mozilla anunciou paragem no desenvolvimento do Thunderbird | ZWAME Portal

[...] Fonte: Mitchell Baker [...]
196
Axel Grude said on July 7th, 2012 at 9:44 am:

I think this might be an opportunity to move some of the extensions into the main code – indeed there has been a vast amount of innovation on the Add-Ons area, I it find poor that you do not acknowledge this at all. If you look at what has been done with extensions in Tb (and compare this to the somewhat overflooded and jaded market of browser add-ons) you will indeed see a lot of innovation; maybe the mail extension devs should take over the product?
197
Pingback from Wither the desktop client (Mozilla Thunderbird put on autopilot) | Eric Friedman

[...] announced that their messaging software Thunderbird will essentially be put on autopilot, shifting resources to other projects. Lots of sites weighing in (and people too) with commentary [...]
198
Michael said on July 7th, 2012 at 10:10 am:

We’re working intensely on a new alternative to thunderbird. (secretly until now)
We are very interested in having people join us.
Please signup here if interested:
http://Www.getmailbird.com

More info coming soon.
199
Sven said on July 7th, 2012 at 11:29 am:

Make a poll and see, if the users really think the Thunderbird is feature complete!
I think Thunderbird has many good features, but some important features are still missing.
On the other side the development in the E-Mail field may have slowed down, but it does not stand still! So couple with this too!
200
Pingback from Anonymous

[...] la información se filtró, Mozilla publicó el post del anuncio hoy, señalando que no dejarán abandonados al alrededor de 20 millones de [...]
201
Pingback from Mozilla Tells Thunderbird Users ‘Our Work Here Is Done’

[...] Mozilla Chair Mitchell Baker explains in a blog post: Much of Mozilla’s leadership — including that of the Thunderbird team — has [...]
202
J said on July 7th, 2012 at 12:30 pm:

Wow, a company decides to stop re-inventing a product when it has reached “as good as it’s gonna get” status. Are you paying attention, Microsoft?
203
Pingback from Mozilla отправляет Thunderbird в свободное плавание : Записки начинающего линуксоида

[...] уже была подтверждена несколькими изданиями и в блоге одного из [...]
204
Pingback from Mozilla: Thunderbird’s not our priority anymore | Google Koogle

[...] the Chair of the Mozilla Foundation Mitchell Baker, decided to post information about it in a blog post as [...]
205
Andreas said on July 7th, 2012 at 2:01 pm:

I’m really shocked. Thunderbird is one of the best mail client, I’m using it on my computers for many years.
206
Pingback from Mozilla atsisako aktyvaus Thunderbird palaikymo | FACEIT.LT

[...] jog Mozilla atsisako aktyvios Thunderbird plėtros, tapo žinoma iš kelių šaltinių, įskaitant trečių šalių kūrėjus ir palaikymo puslapį, taip pat prieinamas konfidencialaus pranešimo tekstas, skirtas projekto [...]
207
Pingback from Wither the desktop client (Mozilla Thunderbird put on autopilot) | peterklamka.biz

[...] announced that their messaging software Thunderbird will essentially be put on autopilot, shifting resources to other projects. Lots of sites weighing in (and people too) with commentary [...]
208
Michael said on July 7th, 2012 at 2:40 pm:

If you set up a dedicated fund, I will pay to keep in-house Thunderbird development going, and I suspect I’m not the only one.
209
Anonymous Coward said on July 7th, 2012 at 3:02 pm:

About a year ago, I made another attempt (my 3rd?) to make Thunderbird my main email client. A real email client is a very important piece of software to have. A few weeks ago, I dumped Thunderbird again because of its abysmal quality and feature set. Because Thunderbird develops useless features, but doesn’t get their basic email handling into working order. What you have done with Firefox many years ago, renovating the code base to a point where kind of a foreseeable and reproducible result can be achieved, also by people who don’t cover the entire code base, is still missing in Thunderbird. Therefore, hacking on Thunderbird is basically out of the question for mere mortals who cannot afford to do this full-time.

That, and some highly aggravating people steering the project who know that better rendering of HTML emails is more important than eg. mailbox integrity, are the two most important factors that limit user contribution.

And talking about “Extended Support” while quoting the end of next year can only be understood as a call to users to “jump ship, now!”. So much for your understanding of professional IT.
210
deadpool said on July 7th, 2012 at 3:12 pm:

I think it’s a bad idea. I’ve seen a lot of company (french company) installed and used Thunderbird. A large part of french adminsitration (like police) used Thunderbird, and lot of friends too. Webmail is very used, but Thunderbird allows us to read emails offline and its plugin system is… awesome.
So I’m sad to see that.
211
ThunderbirdUser said on July 7th, 2012 at 3:30 pm:

If someone isn’t able to handle some things, do WE need him.
Sorry, no.
212
Pingback from Mozilla puts Thunderbird in maintenance mode • Mozilla Links

[...] an internal email Mozilla leak, Michell Baker, Mozilla Foundation Chairwoman, has announced that Mozilla will make no further investments in evolving Thunderbird, its open source email client. Instead, futures releases will only carry security and stability [...]
213
Pingback from Technology News » Blog Archive » Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
214
Ken Saunders said on July 7th, 2012 at 5:52 pm:

Well, as I bury myself in the comments with more surely to come, I have plenty to say but I’ll try and keep it simple.

First and foremost, I’m very disappointed but not terribly surprised. One of the reasons why I’m disappointed is that I thought that Mozilla had been providing an email client for some of the same reasons that it provides Firefox. A free, open and solid alternative from a trustworthy organization focused on providing choice and empowering individuals.
Yes, I’m aware of the innovation part too, but with Firefox, as I understand it, the goal was to offer a better choice not to become the most used, and so with Thunderbird only having 20 million or so users, what’s the difference.

Yes, I love Thunderbird and I’ve been a user since 1.0 and with Firefox being my most used application, Thunderbird is second but I’m not just speaking as a die hard fan who doesn’t want to see one of his favorite programs fade away, I’m speaking as someone saying that there isn’t a good alternative out there from any of the big players or other and certainly not from anyone that I trust or has my best interest in mind like Mozilla.

I appreciate that Mozilla will still invest some resources, but I fear that won’t be enough, that Thunderbird will go the way of Sunbird, and it surely doesn’t have the same type of super passionate users/contributors like SeaMonkey does.
Perhaps I’ll be proved wrong, I hope so and will help where I can.

“However, the dedicated efforts of these groups have not been supported by an active contributor base in other areas”

I speak for one group, one of the most important that says that we tried with all we had but we didn’t get higher support even though most of us were all personally asked to help. Pulling teeth would have been easier. I will not air dirty laundry here, if anyone is interested in the details, email me.

I understand that things are final, they are what they are, it’s a shame, but I appreciate the opportunity to air a bit.

For what’s it worth, the press is basically saying that Thunderbird is done.
215
Edward Caruso said on July 7th, 2012 at 6:34 pm:

If Thunderbird is phased out (b/c of the idea that everything needs to be browser based) – I will not use Firefox or anything else from Mozilla in the future. How about that?

I don’t see why we couldn’t pay for using TB. I would.
I initially paid for Postbox but not having the devs update add ons (at all) made me stick with TB.
216
WLMUser said on July 7th, 2012 at 6:36 pm:

So another piece of opensores crapware bites the dust. For years of product existance the ‘community’ failed to fix the bugs they inherited from Netscape Navigator (probably because of TurboPascal test they should have take in 1st semester?). Good go, open sores!
217
Pingback from Mozilla arrête le développement de son client de messagerie Thunderbird. - ExternautE | ExternautE

[...] Source : blog.lizardwrangler [...]
218
Pingback from Kommentar zur Zukunft von Thunderbird - Sören Hentzschel

[...] Ankündigung von Mitchell Baker war für viele Leute überraschend und sofort wurde überall das Ende von [...]
219
Pingback from No Future Thunderbird Development | The Email Mafia Blog

[...] announced on July 6th they will longer be doing new development (feature) with Thunderbird, instead they [...]
220
Pingback from Ubuntu Tips Mozilla dejará de desarrollar Thunderbird

[...] la información se filtró, Mozilla publicó el post del anuncio hoy, señalando que no dejarán abandonados al alrededor de 20 millones de usuarios que tiene el [...]
221
Pingback from Mozilla to Stop Thunderbird Feature Updates | VHOSTING247

[...] a post thrown up yesterday on Mozilla chair Mitchell Baker’s blog, Baker makes the grim announcement that, “continued innovation in Thunderbird is not a [...]
222
Pingback from Mozilla will Thunderbird nicht mehr weiter entwickeln « Browser Fuchs

[...] für den Thunderbird geben aber es werden keine neuen Features mehr entwickelt. Laut einem Blog-Eintrag von Mozilla-Chefin Mitchell Baker seih es Mozilla nicht gelungen, Thunderbird zu einem hoch innovativen Angebot zu machen und dem [...]
223
Pingback from Mozilla dejará de desarrollar Thunderbird | La Universidad del Merengue

[...] se cumplió – ya que el anuncio oficial sería el lunes.Como la información se filtró, Mozilla publicó el post del anuncio hoy, señalando que no dejarán abandonados al alrededor de 20 millones de usuarios que tiene el [...]
224
Pingback from Mozilla отправляет Thunderbird в свободное плавание | conon print Mozilla отправляет Thunderbird в свободное плавание |

[...] уже была подтверждена несколькими изданиями и в блоге одного из [...]
225
Pingback from Mozilla dejará de desarrollar Thunderbird | MiMonteria

[...] – Thunderbird: Stability and Community Innovation (Mitchell`s blog) Comparte esto:FacebookCorreo [...]
226
Ben said on July 7th, 2012 at 10:09 pm:

Count me in as another user who will pay for Thunderbird. It’s a great email client and I, like others, don’t want to use webmail. Thunderbird is richer in features and easier to use.
227
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | betheltemple.co.uk

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
228
Pingback from Stirbt Thunderbird mittelfristig? « Borns IT- & Windows-Blog

[...] November 2013 noch Sicherheitsupdates gibt. Mitchel Baker von der Mozilla-Stiftung geht in seinem Blog darauf [...]
229
Rich said on July 7th, 2012 at 11:40 pm:

@Ben

> another user who will pay for Thunderbird

I’m betting there’s no shortage.

Some simple math:

10 devs * ~ $200K/yr loaded cost = $2M/yr

1% of “20 million users” = 200K users

Would 1% of ‘us’ pay ~ $10/yr for a ‘support’ license (call it what you will: access to ‘premium’ forums, or enterprise-class modules, charitable donation, etc … ) , in exchange for an assured, clearly roadmapped, even – gasp! – innovative, future? Me, as an individual — in a heartbeat. Me as an enterprise/SMB user — does Mozilla really have to ask? I am curious as to what %-age of those 20 Million users are enterprise/SMB users …
230
Pingback from Thunderbird prehaja v roke skupnosti |

[...] do ponedeljka, a je vseeno pokukalo na plano. Predsednica Mozille, Mitchell Baker, nad skupnostjo ni preveč navdušena. Sicer pravi, da obstajajo odlične ekipe za prevajanje, ampak da pa prispevki od drugod šepajo. [...]
231
Kole Wynn said on July 7th, 2012 at 11:57 pm:

Amazing no one asks for money? I would gladly pay $20 per year or more. I use Thunderbird for mission critical work.

I run over a dozen emails for clients on hundreds of social platforms. Only thunderbird gives me those features that enable me to combine signatures and calendars to those accounts.

Open source does not have to be free? Its nice, but this program could ask for money, and if it did, I would gladly pay for MS Exchange support?

There is no alternative to a robust platform with plugins that offer great functionality. And I can come up with about a dozen features that still need to be implemented. This is far from a dead-end platform.

Universal Tasks?
Exchange Support?
Archive by filter tags
Speed?

Seriously, take my money!
232
Jason SW said on July 8th, 2012 at 12:00 am:

I’m not an enterprise user, but I definitely would go for this, because having a non-Microsoft, easy to use desktop e-mail client really matters to me. I suppose I could find an alternative, especially if I decide to go completely Linux and ditch Windows (which I’ve been thinking about), but if there was a sure way of making sure that Thunderbird development would continue, I’d go for it.
233
Katryne said on July 8th, 2012 at 12:46 am:

Please, Miss Mozilla, don’t leave us alone in the dark.
How will we live without this email client ? There is no other worth the try and I do not trust completely the cloud to take care of my mail archiving and management.
I am been using TB since the alpha versions that were included in the Mozilla suite, ancestor to Sea Monkey.
My numeric person has gown up together with ThunderBird.
Please do something about it, don’t leave me alone in the dark.
Katryne
234
Pingback from Mac OS X: Keine neuen Funktionalitätsupdates für Mozilla Thunderbird | Applesider.de

[...] haben wir heute schlechte Nachrichten. Moziallas CEO Mitchell Baker verkündete kürzlich in einem Blogeintrag, dass das Ende der virtuellen Fahnenstange erreicht wurde: Zukünftige Updates sollen sich nur noch [...]
235
Pingback from Mozilla schuift Thunderbird-ontwikkeling naar community | Trending in Nederland

[...] een blogpost heeft Mozilla uitleg gegeven over de keuze om een stapje terug te nemen bij de ontwikkeling van Thunderbird. Volgens het bedrijf [...]
236
Thunderbird user said on July 8th, 2012 at 2:32 am:

It is saddening to hear that Mozilla is taking a step back from Thunderbird, which has been my email client of choice for years. I run an IT business and most of my clients use Thunderbird and are very happy with it but they indeed do no require any new features, email clients are good the way they are until the medium itself changes. Most people just want an updated copy of Outlook Express which Microsoft fails to provide them with. (Windows Live Mail is a privacy invading joke)

I believe that Thunderbird would be more succesful if Mozilla would target the enterprise market and make Thunderbird (even) better able to import from other email clients and to make the Lightning extension part of the package.

It also needs the option to synchronize with other Thunderbird clients because as far as I know, you can only do this using some of the user-made add-ons.

In order to compete with today’s market perhaps it is a good idea to start looking towards a web-based Thunderbird client for both private and business users if this is truly what people want to use? I absolutely despise many of the webbased email clients and I also dislike the way I can’t have all my different email providers on one page. That and I need to save my email for legal purposes.

You could charge license fees for enterprise users. I think forcing fees onto non-enterprise users would never make the product succesful, though. They’ll just stick with free and inferior alternatives.

This webclient should also be synchronizable with any installed Thunderbird clients.

Just my two cents. I hope you will review your decision to drop Thunderbird from active development and try to think outside the box as you’ve done many times before.
237
Thomas said on July 8th, 2012 at 2:38 am:

Maybe many people don’t need an e-mail client. But many others need a good open source alternative for MS Outlook. Or what should Linux distributions do if Thunderbird is out of date (in any way)? Please don’t give up Thunderbird’s development. Only “maintenance releases” means that Thunderbird will be out of date in some years. If Thunderbird binds vital (human or other) resources that can be better used in other ways for Mozilla, than reduce or change the Tb staff. Mozilla is fighting for an open web. E-mail is part of the internet, so we keep on needing a good open source client.
238
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | redtaxi

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
239
Ratoune2008 said on July 8th, 2012 at 3:21 am:

A very bad news… TB is one of the only way keeping control on my mails. For corporate, perhaps the clous is the future. What about people and their liberties ?
Some have suggested a fee for supporting TB. Why not, if it helps me preserve my private datas from the cloud ?
Thanks anyway fot all that job.
240
Nephilim said on July 8th, 2012 at 3:38 am:

Dear Mitchell Baker,

since many month the Mozilla Foundation is killing Firefox and Thunderbird. Why? Help me/us to understand what you’re doing.

Firefox is a good browser with unbeatable flexibility, but there are no efficient versions for the mobile platforms. Firefox for Android is not good and I’m sure you know it. Do you think the users will use Firefox at their PCs and another browser on their mobile plattform? I don’t think so. They will switch to Chrome.

Now you start killing Thunderbird, too. Fuck! I paid for your products with donations and I still want to use them. Yes, I agree: I don’t need unnecessary ongoing innovation (Firefox has enough of it), but I need important functions like iCard-Support – like many other people – and I need Thunderbird. There’s no efficient alternative if you are using different operating systems.

I would emphasize what Kole Wynn’s said in his posting (Posting 231): If money is your problem, tell it and I’m sure we (the community) will solve it. It has already been solved for Wikipedia.

But please stop your stupid product policies. WE – your customers and users – DON’T LIKE THIS PRODUCT POLICIES. See this blog and you will understand. If you have problems, tell us.
241
Enrique said on July 8th, 2012 at 3:40 am:

I certainly hope Firefox OS / Boot 2 Gecko will take off. It starts in a crowded market and is somewhat late to the game. Hopefully it doesn’t go the way of WebOS, Meego, Moblin, BlackBerry Tablet OS, … and many others. It will be hard to compete to iOS and Android. (Windows Mobile is not worth mentioning yet.)
But I understand Mozilla wants to increase efforts there.

Nonetheless Thunderbird is a well established product, with a very broad reach and userbase. It is the only well known multi-platform, independent mail client.
On Linux it is one of the only desktop-independent mail clients, preferred by many over Evolution (GTK-world) and KMail (Qt-world).

For years I have wanted Ubuntu (I solely work on Ubuntu, no Windows here) to switch to Thunderbird as the standard mailclient, and recently the have.
I couldn’t have been happier since it makes managing my 5 mail-accounts a snap. (And merging all mail-accounts into one, or solely depending on webmail is certainly not what *all* users want!)

So I really, really hope that Mozilla will keep a minimum of staff on Thunderbird to keep it a viable mailclient. Hopefully volunteers and maybe some Linux distro’s (Ubuntu?) will also put some effort in Thunderbird,
since it stays the only viable multi-platform, open-source and trustworthy mailclient.

I hope Mozilla stays relevant in the future. There are plenty of free browsers and mail-clients, but few of them value openness.

A thank you for the splendid software you delivered us in the past,
a strong plea to continue to do so in the future.
242
Giovanni said on July 8th, 2012 at 3:48 am:

Cloud, cloud, cloud, cloud!

Who else was shouting single words to the public? Ah, Steve Ballmer.
243
Pingback from Mozilla stopt ontwikkeling e-mailprogramma Thunderbird | NuNieuws.eu

[...] heeft ook Mitchell Baker, voorzitter van de Mozilla Foundation, zich uitgelaten over de toekomst van Thunderbird. Baker zegt dat Mozilla tot de conclusie gekomen is dat [...]
244
Pingback from rentalicanteapartment.co.uk » Blog Archive » Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
245
Chris said on July 8th, 2012 at 4:39 am:

Does a Mozilla instant messanger exist. If so how about integrating it with Thunderbird?
If not how about starting development on a messanger software?
246
Pingback from Mozilla Pull The Plug On Thunderbird Innovation » TechLogon Technology News | Tech News Help And Tutorials

[...] have announced plans to cease in-house innovation of Thunderbird – the popular email [...]
247
Alex said on July 8th, 2012 at 6:11 am:

R.I.P. Thunderbird…
248
Pingback from Mozilla Halts Work on Thunderbird | WriteCircuit

[...] Chairman Mitchell Baker announced the end of development on Thunderbird, the Foundation’s email client. The organization will continue to support Thunderbird, but [...]
249
Christian said on July 8th, 2012 at 7:10 am:

Many People that develop for Open Source Software do it to get a job more easily or they are
people working at a company like IBM, Red Hat, Ubuntu…
Open Source Software is making it tough for programmers to sell software.
You are basically forced to give away your software for free.
If you contribute to Open Source Software you also make no money.
I have contributed to Open Source Software and basically Open Source is a nice idea for many people but for programmers who have to start a company it´s very hard to compete against.

Basically Open Source Software is great but not if you have to make a living selling software.
This is my opinion.
Maybe more people share it and therefore less people develop it.

Feel free to criticize me, but if you do please be polite OK?

PS:
Firefox is the best web browser. It´s sad that Netscape was forced out of the market.
250
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | Techno Gadget Feed

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
251
Matt said on July 8th, 2012 at 8:05 am:

I have one user out of 170 at work that uses Thunderbird.

No crying here, Outlook is my preferred tool for e-mail.
252
Charles Marcus said on July 8th, 2012 at 9:52 am:

I thought I’d post my response to this announcement here after posting the same thing to Mike Conleys blog…

Having reserved judgement until after I actually read the entire posting, I, for one – as someone who has been very vocal (and often critical – so much so in a few cases that I got booted off of one or more developer lists) – am actually very excited about this.

On more than one occasion, I have made the statement that ‘Mozilla should focus on stability and fixing many of the long standing bugs, rather than pushing shiny new features that it is questionable that many users want or will use.

So, if this means that certain long standing issues – like the buggy HTML editor, buggy IMAP behavior, the new Address Book, maildir vs mbox for local storage, full integration of the Calendar (Lightning extension), as just a few examples – will finally get some much needed attention and may even actually finally be permanently *fixed*, then I say that this is a very *good* thing for Thunderbird.

For me, Thunderbird is my EMAIL client. I don’t want to browse the web inside it, or chat – I use it for email. I have many different email addresses (dozens, in fact) all configured as IMAP, and being able to work with all of them in one excellent UI (heavily customized from the default UI, another big reason I love Mozilla products), from multiple computers on disparate platforms (like my Moms Mac, and my Linux box at home), all with the same Profile which can be backed up from and restored to any of these different platforms (using MozBackup) – well, it is simply an incredibly powerful and convenient tool that I would find it very difficult to work without, and I am so thankful for and grateful to the Mozilla developers (both Moz employees and Community members) for providing this tool for all these years (I too started using Thunderbird a long time ago, back at about version 0.8)…

So, to those proclaiming the death of Thunderbird as a result of this announcement, I say…

Thunderbird is dead. Long Live Thunderbird!

p.s. one thing I don’t understand – Mozilla supposedly got *NINE hundred million dollars* (over 3 years) in their latest new deal with Google – why they don’t seem to be willing or able to allocate a million or 3 to Thunderbird per year is beyond me. A million should pay for what – at least 5 or 10 full time developers for a year?

Anyone at Mozilla care to answer that one?
253
TEd said on July 8th, 2012 at 9:56 am:

“p.s. one thing I don’t understand – Mozilla supposedly got *NINE hundred million dollars* (over 3 years) in their latest new deal with Google – why they don’t seem to be willing or able to allocate a million or 3 to Thunderbird per year is beyond me. A million should pay for what – at least 5 or 10 full time developers for a year?

Anyone at Mozilla care to answer that one?”

______________________________________

They are focusing them on pointless projects like “Popcon JS” & a phone that is 8 years too late.
254
Pingback from Mozilla Transitions Thunderbird to Maintenance Mode, Leaving its Fate to the Community | TechPaper | Technology Agent

[...] open source baby. You may have heard of Firefox perhaps? Today however, Mozilla announced that key resources from Thunderbird project are being moved to other areas, and aside from bug fixes and security updates, no new improvements are being planned going [...]
255
Rich said on July 8th, 2012 at 11:01 am:

@Charles Marcus

> long standing issues – like
> … HTML editor
> … IMAP behavior
> … Address Book
> … maildir vs mbox
> … integration of the Calendar

All features that lots of us want/need, and have been discussed since the IceAge.

A not-so-rhetorical question — are these unimplemented &/or buggy issues now considered ‘Stability Issues’ that will be dealt with? Or are they considered ‘Innovation’ that’s being … retired from the @Mozilla ranks.

Iiuc, the blog author himself was on-deck for the “new Address Book”, had written some great posts, talking about reinventing/reimagining (my words) the way it’s implemented. Sure sounded ‘innovative’ to me ….
256
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | madebyyoungpeople.co.uk

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
257
Andy Salnikov said on July 8th, 2012 at 11:33 am:

I really welcome this news. Looking at everything that Mozilla have done to Thunderbird I’d say it’s time to put this monster to death. We certainly need better desktop client but Mozilla has proven many times that they have no clue and they do not really care. The sooner this beast dies the better for everybody. Good that Mozilla finally clears arena for others.
258
Pingback from Thunderfork: Canonical's Chance To Expand Its Ecosystem With...

[...] the recent news that Mozilla will no longer be innovating with new versions of Thunderbird, many Ubuntu users might be left wondering what this will mean for [...]
259
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | crown

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
260
Ataraxo said on July 8th, 2012 at 1:30 pm:

This is pretty sad news. I came back to Thunderbird a couple of years ago when I decided to stop using GMail and take back control over my email. I was happy to have a desktop alternative to webmails that implements a decent conversations view.

I was hoping to see some development similar to Firefox Sync to be able to sync my account settings, mail filtering rules and spam filters with a provider I can trust (Mozilla). I was looking for a way to sync my calendars and contacts between Thunderbird installs and my android phone without having to administrate some server or using a third-party provider.

Now, my hopes of seeing these developments integrated in the main product are mostly gone. I was expecting more than functional stagnation and am disappointed.
261
Jan Koets said on July 8th, 2012 at 1:31 pm:

Very Bad to read this. You make a huge mistake. I give pc lessons to people. And i let my students make there own desicions with mail cleint to take. There are a few which use Windows mail. A view who chose webmail. But the most people are using thunderbird. You can win a lot of users when you put more improvements in thunderbird. Thunderbird is the best client there is. And a lot of people are thinking the same. When there are beginning to use thunderbird they see why thunderbird is the best. All my students are satisfied with the program. Including me. You are not realising what you are doing. Making the same mistake as When you where Netscape. Don’t improving your programs. And when I read the above comments I think you must over think your descision.

Greetz jan
262
James said on July 8th, 2012 at 2:14 pm:

This decision leaves a black eye on Mozilla as a whole.
263
Pingback from Michael Tsai - Blog - Thunderbird: Stability

[...] Mitchell Baker (via James Fallows): Much of Mozilla’s leadership — including that of the Thunderbird team — has come to the conclusion that on-going stability is the most important thing, and that continued innovation in Thunderbird is not a priority for Mozilla’s product efforts. […] As a result, the Thunderbird team has developed a plan that provides both stability for Thunderbird’s current state and allows the Thunderbird community to innovate if it chooses. [...]
264
Pingback from 50fiftyclothing.com » Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
265
Jens Panok said on July 8th, 2012 at 3:44 pm:

Sad. That removes your only product that I am tied to by a relevant amount of my own data – my huge mail-archive and the collected addresses of at least 12 years. All that data could be easily migrated between the different products and between Linux and Windows – without the hassle, chaos and redundancies that frequently occur with other products – even if you don’t change versions, let alone the os.
When I am forced into the cloud, my ties and loyalties will be with the provider of the cloud alone. Actually I don’t want that to happen.
266
Debbie said on July 8th, 2012 at 4:09 pm:

Thunderbird was the only product left from Mozilla that I still used – I dumped Firefox a year ago and now use Chrome.

The cloud – it hasn’t worked for me and I don’t recommend it for those I work for & with, it’s not suited for everyone. Reliability & availability (which is part of the CIA-confidentiality/integrity/availability triad for security) is not there.
267
Pingback from The Rumbling Edge :: Thunderbird moving on to community innovation

[...] As Mitchell Baker writes on her blog, [...]
268
Pingback from Sunday Shortbread | Hardware Updates

[...] Thunderbird: Stability and community [...]
269
Pingback from Mozilla Transitions Thunderbird to Maintenance Mode, Leaving its Fate to the Community : Information Technology Leader

[...] however, Mozilla announced that key resources from Thunderbird project are being moved to other areas, and aside from bug fixes and security updates, no new improvements are being planned going [...]
270
Pingback from Mozilla stellt Weiterentwicklung für Thunderbird ein - d-talk Blog

[...] Chefin von Mozilla, Mitchell Baker, hat sich zu diesem Thema über ihr offizielles Blog geäußert und die Beweggründe für diese Entscheidung geschildert. Baker macht klar, dass neue [...]
271
Pingback from Thunderbird ya no es una prioridad para Mozilla « Haciendo Web

[...] Más Información | Blog Lizard Warngling [...]
272
Paul Morris said on July 8th, 2012 at 8:26 pm:

A sad day. Like so many here I am distressed by this move:

- There really isn’t another email client like TB: cross-platform, open-source, customizable, secure, trustworthy, etc.
- Who wants to trust their email to the cloud?
- TB already has a large and loyal user base.
- TB is the official Ubuntu email client… (too bad for them).
- TB could still use a lot of polishing and improving, and is far from feature-complete
- TB fits perfectly with the Mozilla mission.

And with the recent focus on identity and social (with BrowserID/Persona etc.)… it seems that communications, email, contacts, address book, etc. fit perfectly in that picture.

How will people read their email on their Firefox OS phone? Won’t you need a web-app version of Thunderbird for that? Or will we have to check our email at gmail.com? (Is a web app that can work offline the future of email for Mozilla?)

My +1 for comment 164

My +1 for crowd-sourcing funding for continued innovation and refinement of TB. I would gladly give Mozilla the $$ I paid for PostBox to support a real, viable, open-source alternative in the email app space.
273
James said on July 8th, 2012 at 9:24 pm:

It would be nice if Thunderbird would work with MS Exchange and open PST files, but perhaps the reverse engineering is too difficult?
274
Pingback from Thunderbird, の開発はどうなるのでしょう？ : Wasabeen Styles

[...] 詳しくは、Mitchell BakerさんのBlog, からどうぞ。 [...]
275
Pingback from Mozilla отказывается от активного развития Thunderbird | APK Tech

[...] развития известно из различных источников, включая отдельных разработчиков и страницу поддержки, доступен текст утёкшего [...]
276
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | Dress Juice

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
277
Pingback from Thunderbird, c’est fini ! Ou presque !

[...] présidente de la fondation Mozilla l’a annoncé ce week-end sur son blog, Thunderbird ne profitera plus d’aucune mise à jour. Une décision ferme, définitive mais [...]
278
Pingback from Mozilla отправляет Thunderbird в свободное плавание | UNIXCLUB

[...] уже была подтверждена несколькими изданиями и в блоге одного из [...]
279
Pingback from Thunderbird, Mozilla interrompe lo sviluppo del suo client di posta elettronica | Geekissimo

[...] a sorpresa, o quasi, Mozilla ha annunciato, proprio nel corso delle ultime ore, di aver interrotto lo sviluppo di Thunderbird, il client di [...]
280
Pingback from Mozilla Thunderbird telah dihentikan developmentnya

[...] pesaing utama dari Microsoft Outlook telah dihentikan development-nya.Dikutip Info Teknologi dari blognya, Mitchell Baker sebagai dedengkot Mozilla menyebutkan bahwa mereka tidak akan men-support dan juga [...]
281
Noel Grandin said on July 8th, 2012 at 11:55 pm:

That’s terrible news – Thunderbird has been a highly valued open-source application for a long time now.
It may not be sexy, and it may not evolve that rapidly, but it’s incredibly useful to a very large number of people.
282
Oliver B. Fischer said on July 8th, 2012 at 11:58 pm:

This is very sad and I am very disappointed to hear this. I am using TB at work, at home and promoted it to everyone how needs a propper email client.

Please reconsider this decision because there is so much need for a proper messaging solution and there are so many think you could integrate in TB to make it really powerfull.
283
anonymous said on July 9th, 2012 at 12:16 am:

Mitchell Baker is a lawyer. That explains everything.
284
real estate said on July 9th, 2012 at 12:48 am:

I think this is one of the most important info for
me. And i am glad reading your article. But should remark on some general things, The web site style is wonderful, the articles is
really great : D. Good job, cheers
285
Pingback from Thunderfork: Canonical’s Chance To Expand Its Ecosystem With Thunderbird | OpenSource.Cipto.US

[...] the recent news that Mozilla will no longer be innovating with new versions of Thunderbird, many Ubuntu users might be left wondering what this will mean for [...]
286
Daniel said on July 9th, 2012 at 1:31 am:

Good decision. Thunderbird has (nearly) all the features I need and want. So I am perfectly ok with the decision to switch to a maintenance-mode.

I hope there will be enough effort and time for keeping the product secure. That’s most important these days.

Thanks for all the hard work!
Daniel
287
Pingback from Mozilla Transitions Thunderbird to Maintenance Mode, Leaving its Fate to the Community | technewsforyou.com

[...] however, Mozilla announced that key resources from Thunderbird project are being moved to other areas, and aside from bug fixes and security updates, no new improvements are being planned going [...]
288
Pingback from Manoz de manoz.fr – Le blog en display:none – Mozilla et Thunderbird, c’est terminé. Ou presque …

[...] dans une annonce de Mitchell Baker que la fondation Mozilla vient d’annoncer l’arrêt du développement de Thunderbird, le [...]
289
Pingback from | silicon.de

[...] hat Mitchell Baker, Vorsitzende der Mozilla Foundation, am Freitag in einem Blog angekündigt. Demnach stellt das Unternehmen Sicherheitsupdates künftig über ein [...]
290
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | codelodge.com

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
291
George said on July 9th, 2012 at 3:14 am:

Dear Mitchell, I hope so that beautiful project Thunderbird stays a life.. I cannot live with out it..
292
Daniel said on July 9th, 2012 at 3:40 am:

I’m disagree!!
293
Greg said on July 9th, 2012 at 3:51 am:

Hey, mozilla, I want my money back !

And please, remove the Donate link on your website as long as your targets and objectives are not perfectly clear to all of us !
294
Ismael said on July 9th, 2012 at 4:04 am:

One of the worst news I can read, I am in love with TB from … always. All my email-task workflow revolves around TB. Cloud is a road but not the road. Very bad news.
295
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | Gadget World

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
296
Pingback from Mozilla no seguirá invirtiendo en Thunderbird – Blog ServiProNet

[...] “Gran parte de la dirección de Mozilla –incluida la del equipo de Thunderbird- ha llegado a la conclusión de que el curso de la estabilidad es lo más importante y que la continua innovación en Thunderbird no es una prioridad para los esfuerzos de los productos de Mozilla”, explica Mitchelle Baker, presidenta de the Mozilla Foundation en su blog. [...]
297
thunderone said on July 9th, 2012 at 4:30 am:

Whaaat? This is bull….t

You haven’t yet impemented Exhange support and you say there is nothing to do. Please fix this major issue NOW!
298
Juan said on July 9th, 2012 at 4:33 am:

So WRONG.

You guys have lost it. At least I hope this means you won’t fuck TB anymore changing hotkeys suddenly after years of use and so on.

Thanks for nothing, fellas.
299
Eflop said on July 9th, 2012 at 4:39 am:

Oh shit – this is also death to Firefox. We use both as pairs. Now we must dumb Firefox and Thunderbird. And yes – the is a huge amount to do. You must overtake Outlook totally. Exhange server support is zero and you say that Thinderbird needs no new features. That’s not true. This sound like mr Elop from Nokia has arrvived to Mozilla and now mass murder of Mozilla has begin.

You don’t have support for Windows AD. Ypu don’t have any Mozilla email server. You have no collaboration tools… there is a huge list to do things.

This is lazy! It’s time to remove people from Mozilla foundation!
300
Pingback from Mozilla abandonne Thunderbird, laisse son développement à la communauté LaptopSpirit.fr - Ordinateur portable, PC portable & Netbook

[...] [Source : Mitchell Baker] [...]
301
Dave said on July 9th, 2012 at 4:44 am:

Add me to the apparently quite significant number of people disappointed by this news.
302
Mozilla is Dead said on July 9th, 2012 at 4:46 am:

Blaah blaah blaah blaah. BULLSHIT!

Shis means that we will stop totally supporting Mozilla foundation.

This end of the era – R.I.P Mozilla
303
Pingback from Gaming | Ripple's Web » Mozilla ceases Thunderbird feature development

[...] product efforts,‘ Mitchell Baker, chair of the Mozilla Foundation, explained in a blog post on Friday. ‘As a result, the Thunderbird team has developed a plan that provides both [...]
304
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community | pearls

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
305
Pingback from Mozilla giving Thunderbird the (effective) axe, leaving its fate to the community « Kari's World

[...] | Lizard Wrangling | Email [...]
306
Pingback from Thunderbird ralentiza su desarrollo, se centrará en la seguridad y la estabilidad

[...] lo cuenta Mitchell Baker -presidenta de Mozilla Foundation- en su blog, donde indica que “la estabilidad es lo más [...]
307
Iammike said on July 9th, 2012 at 5:39 am:

No Features needed ?? Just wondering, do people who write this, really know their own product ?

Very disappointed by this news.
308
Thunderbird User said on July 9th, 2012 at 6:13 am:

“is Thunderbird a likely source of innovation and of leadership in today’s Internet life?”

Definitely if it provided a good calendaring solution (not like how Lightning is being developed) that supports MS Exchange out of the box. I’d LOVE TO see Thunderbird do that!

“Or is Thunderbird already pretty much what its users want and mostly needs some on-going maintenance?”

Definitely NOT. MS Exchange calendaring support is one important aspect for corporate users. The other is moving to newer kinds of data stores (maybe maildir or something else) to handle large mailboxes that run into tens of GBs.

PLEASE put some people to focus on the above and Thunderbird will become an important tool for more people!
309
Ray M. said on July 9th, 2012 at 6:37 am:

Totally agree with @Eflop, they’re like twin sisters. Nearly all the people in the company use Firefox and Thunderbird together for work, if Mozilla stops one that may make people to stop using the other one, seriously.
310
djl said on July 9th, 2012 at 6:53 am:

As others have stated, cloud-based email is only convenient for those who need to check one account. I do NOT want to pipe all of my accounts through Gmail, for one. Thunderbird is an essential tool for me, and the idea that there’s nothing left to do with it seems borderline crazy (decent, easily synced address book? Ever?) I would be willing to pay to keep the product alive, but only if a firm structure was in place where we knew it would be supported for years.
311
Bas said on July 9th, 2012 at 7:28 am:

First I hear that my favourite Web Homepage was send lost, iGoogle.
Now I hear that my super favourite email-calendar-newsreader got struck by thunder. Poor little bird.

Right now all seems to be focused on some type of tablet or ‘smart’ phone. If it is not an ‘App’ it is not worthwhile investing in it any more.

However..
More and more people buy a ‘dumb’ phone as they still just want to call and SMS.
More people needs simpler to use personal computing device. For a part Apple rides on that demand (for a while…) Same for PC or any other personal device. Most of us udr only a few simple and easy to handle programs or applications.

AND NOT: Constantly upgrade an OS or applications ; Be exposed to crashes of all kind ; wondering why you need a ‘next gen’ devices after 6-months. Smartphone, ultrabook, anything from Apple is also just at a too high price level. Including never ending investments in Apps.
The strong point about Apps is they do one thing at a time. But 10 * 7.99 still makes 80 bucks to get a couple of things done.

Ok I have to admit. I do have an iPad and I do like it for certain usage. The main reason is that it brings for me a simple portable laptop/netbook type of device. It starts works instantly. It does a few simple things and it even last thru a full day with one feeding. But the iPad is pricey for the concept I like.

Out of all 200 apps on my iPad (yes I have such device) how much do you think I use…. a maximum 5 App. Most apps you look at once and then they dust away. That is the same as having 500+ Facebook friends What are my most used Apps on my iPad: Safari (unfortunate NO firefox app) and the mail client (Unfortunate no Thunderbird like App).

What are my two programs across my laptops and PC. Both business and private. On Linux and Windows….. Firefox and Thunderbird. Two reasonable straight forward programs that do what they are meant to be doing well. And that for quiet a while. Consistency on usage and programs across my devices that is what I love too.

So were in the so called Post-PC era….. Doesn’t mean that everyone has or will have (only) an app-phone or tablet. (BTW: I do not know what is smart in the word smartphone). Was I planning to throw away my laptop or desktop? No… but all programmers are abandon the Starship PC. So at the end you drift alone in an empty galaxy.

Then ‘the Cloud’ …… a lot can disappear in the Myst of the Cloud. but that is another story.
But as long as you ignore the beacons of warning, let’s just throw everything in it.

I got lost already so let’s get back to were we started…

Outlook 2xxx just doesn’t cut it with Thunderbird.
Firefox left IE behind me ages ago.

Note: It is not that I dislike Microsoft, their programs just became big and unhand-able. At least lost me as a user . It is like a car manufacturer that start with a nice swift affordable model to easy hoover around in the big city( par example Paris) and gets you quickly were you want. Every next version then becomes bigger and bigger .. until it isn’t that swift any more … and more expensive.

For a lot applies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle

Very sad week…… for a happy camper with iGoogle, Firefox, Thunderbird.
312
Adminator said on July 9th, 2012 at 8:08 am:

Du blöde Tulpe, das nervt ohne Ende. Geh einfach sterben, Mozilla.
313
Adminator said on July 9th, 2012 at 8:11 am:

“Mitchell Baker is a lawyer. That explains everything.”

OMFG

This woman is the Death of Mozilla
314
alessandro simon said on July 9th, 2012 at 8:38 am:

Definitely not the end of anything. They will only give priority to stability and security, I agree because sometimes gets in the way a lot of eye candy, the old KISS principle, or Keep It Simple, Stupid prevailed.

Greetings to all.
315
klaus said on July 9th, 2012 at 10:06 am:

I’m really shocked and scared about this announcement – recommended this client to a lot of my customers as a relieable, stable, developing program. It had a lot of improvements the last time! I’m using Outlook too but Thunderbird was and is much better.

Try to find an alternative but I don’t think that this s gonna be easy….
316
Ray M. said on July 9th, 2012 at 11:02 am:

Thunderbird and Camino :,( next… Firefox? done!
317
Onno said on July 9th, 2012 at 11:03 am:

I’m dissapointed about this announcement, I believe that Thunderbird is a very useful mail client. There aren’t many free mail clients of high quality as Thunderbird is.

Personally I don’t like webmail at all: I don’t want to log in all the time on gmail.com or hotmail.com to check mails on my own computer.

Ik highly regret this decision.
318
John M. said on July 9th, 2012 at 11:03 am:

I’ll add one more vote in the sad and disappointing bucket.

I am both a home and business user of ThunderBird, and I rely on all of it’s capabilities; unix maildir, POP, IMAP, LDAP, Lightning with Exchange, Enigmail pgp integration. With thunderbird I manage all of mail mail/address/calendar needs in one place. Doing without a desktop mail client is not an option.

After Evolution was abandoned I moved to Thunderbird. What other client is there that does LDAP address lookups and Exchange integration for linux in the business environment?

Maybe I should get an iPad and labotomize myself with a pencil. (Yes, I still use pencils!)
319
Ray M. said on July 9th, 2012 at 11:35 am:

Why would Mozilla drop a successful product and leave all it’s loyal customers? only for trying to make something that has a complete unknown future called “Firefox OS”, the current market is already dominated by iOS, Android and coming Windows Phone, which the competitors are companies called Apple, Google, Microsoft. I don’t if it is a bright decision. I guess Thunderbird doesn’t make money would be the primary reason.

Look at the Mozilla projects page http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/projects/ No 1 Firefox, No 2 Thunderbird and followed by other small projects, As far as I know Camino might be dying as well. OK, what do you have then Mozilla?

Anyway, I really wish Mozilla the best! And thanks to all the people who worked on Thunderbird and the people who are going to carry on maintaining it.
320
N9 Rocks said on July 9th, 2012 at 12:02 pm:

Get rid of Thunderbird that we can build cheap mobile phones? Whoow!

As €flop said – kill Thunderbird you kill Firefox. Whats left? Nothing.

We need Exhange suppport build in – Use DavMail to do that. We need gnuGPG build in. Use Enigmail on that. We need full support fot Exchange calendar – there you have huge amount of work. You are far away from all features included build. You need next five years to do only that. Web based clients works fine only with ONE email account. You need a good client when using multible accounts (work, privete, hobby or multible all of those like i have). There is no Cloud witch can handle that. I don’t now that many friends having only single email account. Do you? Then we need more administrative mass managing tools for Thunderbird. This is one huge missing feature from Thunderbird AND Firefox. You should also build in IM support in Thunderbird (Jabber/Xmpp, AIM etc…) This is what we need in our office. Now we have Thunderbird and Pidgin, but rather having only one client.

So – wake up and take your head of from your ass and breathe! You need AIR to your brains. Killing Thunderbir is catastrophic failure. Like mr €flop said – our float is burning ( and then Nokia died waiting for Windows…) Just don’t burn your selves – please.
321
Ray M. said on July 9th, 2012 at 12:15 pm:

Here we go: http://www3.postbox-inc.com/?/blog/entry/an_awesome_alternative_for_thunderbird_users/
322
Adminator said on July 9th, 2012 at 1:28 pm:

@Ray:

Are you from the Postbox team?

If yes, pls. look here:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Talk:Thunderbird:2.0_Product_Planning#Major_Usability_Redesign_of_Folders_.26_Threads_.28in_4_Steps.29

Even more revolutionary future features for Postbox.
323
Ray M. said on July 9th, 2012 at 2:00 pm:

No, I’m not. Just saw that blog entry randomly and want to say, despite all of us felt sad about it. There are some companies or groups would take the advantage.
324
Adam said on July 9th, 2012 at 2:33 pm:

I’m greatly disappointed to read this announcement. To me Mozilla Thunderbird has many ways to improve and add functionality especially in the business side of things. I’m not interested in using online web based email clients. I want to remain in control of my data. I will continue to use Mozilla Thunderbird for as long as I can or until I can find a better alternative. To date for me I’ve not found a web based email client that does what I require for an email client. I greatly sadness me to see Thunderbird die off as I’ve been used it since Netscape days. To me there is more to email then just email itself, there is tasks lists and calendars that should all nicely integrate together. Other then GMail there is no really alternative that works and lets face it, GMail has many issues and privacy is the biggest one for me. Why have someone else process your email when I can just read it directly. I wish Mozilla good luck and I do understand but as I’ve said I’m disappointed . RIP Mozilla Thunderbird.
325
vickyjo said on July 9th, 2012 at 2:38 pm:

Gutted.

I’ve been using Thunderbird since I upgraded from Netscape Mail, and have been delighted with the calendar plugin, along with some community developed tools. I’ve also liked that I could boot into an OS of my choosing and access my mailbox data from a shared partition with the same client.

I had been hoping that Mozilla would bring out a version for Android.

I’d happily pay a subscription for Thunderbird, as I already do for other services e.g. if the pricing was similar to flickr.
326
Dou! said on July 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm:

There is no excuse for idiotism – this just goes far beond it.

Did you hire anybody from Microsoft or Nokia? Just asking because everything looks like you have. If anyone asks for matches – please don’t give any. You never know if there is pyromaniac deep inside of Mozilla witch uses Outlook as mail client in her new Nokia phone. (You could use this as an hint to find the bug inside Mozilla)

Jus one word: DONT!
327
Pete said on July 9th, 2012 at 3:42 pm:

Anyone who thinks “the desktop” is dead is either a child or doesn’t work in the business world.
328
Infernoz said on July 9th, 2012 at 4:10 pm:

This is such a stupid decision given web mail is quite inferior to aggregated email on a desktop
Some serious work still needs be done on Thunderbird to bring it up to the standard of Microsoft Outlook e.g for Scheduling as integrated functionality, not the half-arsed attempt with Lightning.

I use Thunderbird to collect many POP3 accounts, several IMAP accounts including a VERY secure one and have a masses of RSS feeds which many dedicated RSS clients would just choke on.

I make heavy use of filters too, and want lots more enhancements.

No email is not obsolete it is used for non transient communications for which there will always be a need! The web maybe fashionable but it will never be as good as native apps due to all the stupid compromises made.
329
Fitzcarraldo said on July 9th, 2012 at 8:14 pm:

I’m saddened to read this blog post. Although Thunderbird is an excellent application, there are still improvements to be made to functionality and features.

I think the decision is based on a falacy: WebMail does not make e-mail clients obsolete, or even less important. I’m a constant user of Thunderbird, and would be lost without it. WebMail may have its place, and indeed by used by a large number of people, but a good e-mail client is indispensable for many users, especially professionals. I have multiple e-mail accounts (not by choice) and even use DavMail to make it easy for me to send and receive e-mails from a couple of companies that use Outlook Web Access. Handling all these different (and different types of) e-mail accounts in one e-mail client makes life so much easier and more productive. Thunderbird is also a great way of storing and organising e-mails, plus it enables me to search through large numbers of e-mails quickly and easily.

WebMail, even the most sophisticated WebMail I have seen, does not hold a candle to a decent e-mail client.
330
Martina said on July 9th, 2012 at 11:38 pm:

It’s the problem of immiserizing growth. Mozilla is one of the commercial success stories and they try to kill their other flagship, Thunderbird, by draining its resources. That is because business logic is always about killing products. By this logic Mozilla would be dead from its very start because it took so long to become a competitive product. To kill a product simply get new developers involvement, add more management, bully longterm contributors. The ultimate solution to kill development: Hire Stephen Elop or leave maintenance to IBM.
331
baz said on July 10th, 2012 at 12:56 am:

noooooooooooooooooo… We need Thunderbird! Clients are not dead, and TB is the best one!
332
Ali said on July 10th, 2012 at 1:59 am:

Hello

im Sorry but you are on the wrong way i think.

i am using Thunderbird on a lot of Laptops because with the change from Windows XP to Windows 7 Outlook Express is not any more on the System.

Now i must look for an other Email Client for my users.

I´m sad

Ali
333
Diego Betto said on July 10th, 2012 at 2:23 am:

damn…. I hate this bad news…

I put my hope in the community
334
Jay States said on July 10th, 2012 at 6:08 am:

I count a lot of mad/sad users and I’m one off them. I don’t see email dying anytime soon and I assume this was a difficult decision. I’m will be using Thunderbird as my main email client until it stops working with new releases of (insert any new) OS.
335
Kay said on July 10th, 2012 at 6:16 am:

I was very disappointed to read that Thunderbird desktop is being dropped. Hopefully your web client will circumvent the cloud until it can truly be secured, and not keep logs. As an activist I’ve used encryption w/the desktop client to prevent undesired snooping. Appreciated having a robust mail client with which to do this and am saddened by this move.
336
Kirk M said on July 10th, 2012 at 8:12 am:

Suddenly I feel like it’s 2007 all over again when Mozilla announced that they were spinning off Thunderbird and it’s developers into it’s own little company so Mozilla could concentrate it’s efforts on Firefox. There was a lot of “giving it to the community” back then too. Suddenly it was “OMG! Mozilla is abandoning Thunderbird!” all over the place, just like it is now.

It’s an email client. A damn good one where all sorts of features can be added via extensions. Extensions which have always been developed by “the community”. I doubt that’s ever going to change for the foreseeable future. Right now, Thunderbird is lean, stable and reliable with plenty of built-in features. It has years of development behind it and it’s right where it’s supposed to be.

The Thunderbird team and Mozilla have understood this and are going to a stabilizing model of updates rather than innovative and that’s fine. Once again. it’s an excellent, mature email client with years of development behind it. But you can only do so much with an email client. It’s not an HTML or CSS editor nor should it ever be.

The only uncertainty now is, will Mozilla keep it’s word? Will they continue to provide stability updates (bug fixes, security updates, etc) like they say or will they just dump it altogether in the near future. So far, they’ve lived up to what they say and I’m betting this won’t change.
337
shahryar said on July 10th, 2012 at 9:21 am:

I don’t know why Thunderbird did not get extended to include abilities such as in Evernote in document managment, and combine it with PM and calendering as in several available online apps. There is still lots of opportunities with such customer base to incorporate Client+Cloud features in DM and PM which make sense as the extensions of current thunderbird. And I guess subscription for extra cloud space would finance this open source initiative.
338
Harold said on July 10th, 2012 at 11:33 am:

I want to ad my name to the people disappointed by this news, I have been a very happy TB user for many years and have recommended it to many friends and colleagues, but I do realize there is no such a thing as a free lunch and that Mozilla must fight for survival due to the competition from Crome and the web being consumed on mobile devises. After learning this news I went searching for alternative email clients, I actually have outlook but prefer TB, and I also again looked at Gmail. I again came to realize why I prefer TB to other alternatives, features like tags, creating filters by right clicking on the email address, tabbed email, and many more. I hope Mozilla realize they have a very good product in TB, with a very loyal user base, and don’t allow it to slowly fade away. I for one would be willing to pay in order to use this product.
339
Hoa Nguyen said on July 10th, 2012 at 2:22 pm:

HTHAI72.17143978978
340
CC said on July 10th, 2012 at 3:21 pm:

Don’t stop… It’s the best mail program I found between all the other garbage.
341
Mark Rosenthal said on July 10th, 2012 at 6:07 pm:

I’m extremely disappointed to hear this. One poster wrote, “No body wants a desktop email client anymore.” That’s nonsense! It demonstrated the poster’s ignorance of just how dangerous it is to willingly hand over physical custody of your data to third parties. That’s really what “the cloud” is all about — handing over control of what you create to some large corporation who do not have the incentive guard it as carefully as you do.

I have something like 30 years of archived emails in my local filesystem! It’s under MY control, not the control of some mega-corporation. It’s all in mbox format or something very close to that (Thank you Thunderbird for sticking pretty close to mbox format.), so I can search it with simple command line utilities.

Unlike comments posted to a social networking site or emails received at gmail or yahoo, I’ll be able to carry this data around from computer to computer as long as I’m alive. And some of the stuff I get reminded of when I search my ancient email threads turns out to be quite valuable.

What happens to my emails on gmail or yahoo if one of them goes out of business or gets acquired. I know it seems inconceivable right now that Google could go out of business, but for over 150 years it seemed inconceivable that Lehman Brothers could go out of business — and then 2008 happened and Lehman Brothers is no more!

What happened to the data people stored on Megaupload? Whether or not you can get your data back has been an open question. Now Computerworld reports that the thieves who call themselves U.S. federal prosecutors want to charge people to get their own data back! (See http://www.techworld.com.au/article/427341/megaupload_users_want_their_data_they_re_going_pay/)

Large corporations play on our desire for convenience to lead us down the garden path, leaving them in control of data that we create and that we own.

I’ll never trust my email to a system that stores it exclusively on someone else’s servers. Mozilla may have a legitimate argument that Thunderbird is mature software and doesn’t need additional features. But the general public will see this as Mozilla end-of-lifeing Thunderbird. And someday when business, legal, or political forces cause them to lose their data, and the public finally wakes up to the dangers, if Thunderbird (and any other local mailreaders that store their data in easy-to-understand ascii) has long since ceased to exist because it stopped being fashionable, they’ll have nowhere to turn!
342
Rich said on July 10th, 2012 at 7:09 pm:

An interesting, historical read

“Posts Tagged with “Thunderbird””
https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/tag/thunderbird/

Among many other tidbits there re: Tbird,

“… It’s got millions of users who care vigorously about Thunderbird and mail. It’s looking at an enormous and fundamental aspect of our online lives. It’s got great challenges, great responsibility and even greater potential.

I’m personally thrilled to see this happen. I am exceedingly eager to stop thinking so much about how to organize the Thunderbird / mail effort and to start seeing all that energy go to improving our product. That day has come. We have the tools to make email much, much better. I hope you’ll join me in celebrating. And then join the Mozilla Messaging effort and help make interesting things happen. …”

So, since 2008, did it get “much much better”?

Read the rest, draw your own conclusion. In any case, it’ll lend an interesting light — or pallor — to the current state of affair.

I’ll certainly grant them this — what’s being done NOW is certainly … “interesting”.
343
Frank George said on July 11th, 2012 at 1:01 am:

Very sad, hope that this is not a irreversible decision. Thunderbird is the only independent multi-platform mail client worth using for work and serious stuff. Have you tried moving your ‘mail’ to a new PC with offline backed up locally? So easy with Thunderbird and so a very positive experience when typically this sort of action is happening because of stolen or crashed hardware.

Matching development and release cycles with Firefox last year seemed to imply it was being brought into the fold for greater integration. Now alas it seems other plans are afoot.

I evangelise to many about Thunderbird and Firefox, in fact Mozilla as a whole as I’m old enough to have used Mosaic way back when.

Seriously disappointed, but hopeful of a stay of execution.
Best
Frank George
344
Andres Misiak said on July 11th, 2012 at 7:55 am:

I’m shocked. I have loved Thunderbird since 0.6 when I started using it, and I’ll continue using it.

I think I understand Mozilla’s point, and I’ll support them always, is just that I love so much Thunderbird that is so dificult to read this news.

Good luch guys.
345
sean bean said on July 11th, 2012 at 9:04 am:

What part of “on-going stability is the most important thing” are most of the commenters above not comprehending… in my mind that means there will be ongoing technical changes & support as more Mozillians move to Windows 8,9 or 10…

The Register UK article was ladled w/sensationalism in search of eyeballs…

Since i have no trust in the many cloud storage solutions for my private e’mail exchanges, I’ll always remain a faithful; Seamonkey and/or Thunderbird user…

Ever grateful to the entire Mozilla Team,

Sean Nathan Bean
346
Ramonsao said on July 11th, 2012 at 4:38 pm:

Really bad news, hope they change their mind.

It’s a great tool, it has been improved since the beginning, so it’s very mature now, I can’t believe their creators are giving up to some silly social network product. What can be done for mozilla to change its mind?

Regards.

R
347
Erik said on July 11th, 2012 at 4:42 pm:

This is so sad. Mozilla develops a mobile os that will not be used by anyone and drops development of thunderbird that’s used by many. SAD, SAD, SAD.
348
Mrs.Muneton said on July 11th, 2012 at 9:29 pm:

I want to get involved with developing thunderbird, I have lots of vision and programming experience… proud php dev =)

I need someone to be accountable to, can you find someone and have them email me. I studied other languages in college and I really really would like to contribute back to the open source software that raised me. But between the desire and doing is the bridge experience. Is someone who has experience I could chat with?
349
rikhard said on July 11th, 2012 at 9:49 pm:

i am deeply dissatisfied with this.

why wasting time developing a bastard browser for apple’s ios (it’s not even gecko based) instead of focusing on what are mozilla’s jewels?
350
Kirk M said on July 12th, 2012 at 8:25 am:

Where in the above post does Mitchell state that Mozilla is dropping development of Thunderbird? Answer? They are not dropping development. Not at all. Mozilla is, in so many words, not adding any new features for the foreseeable future and is now focusing on stability and security updates only to an already mature and finished piece of software. It’s almost a “Debian Stable” type of decision and I, for one, think it’s a good decision.

The “Add-on” environment for Thunderbird is alive and well and going strong so all the extra features you might need for now can be added via extensions. With Mozilla responsible for keeping Thunderbird stable and reliable and the open source community providing new innovations to the the email client (vetted by Mozilla no doubt), you get the best of both worlds. Some of the world’s most popular Linux distributions work along the same lines. And why should Mozilla consider abandoning Thunderbird when Ubuntu (as well as Linux Mint, both Ubuntu and Debian based editions) for instance, has recently dropped Evolution and chosen Thunderbird for it’s default email client?

Thunderbird isn’t going anywhere and 30 years of experience in the field of computers and software tells me that over the coming months, certain user generated innovations will probably make it into Thunderbird as core features by Mozilla themselves as long as these new features don’t add an instability or bloat. This is the way the open source community works these days and it’s very good at it.
351
Tim Chambers said on July 12th, 2012 at 10:28 am:

I have always been and am still a fan of Thunderbird. I was inspired to add my comments because today I am finally admitting that I am completely dependent on Microsoft Outlook for business communication. For over a decade my employers have made it impossible to maintain resistance to the Borg of Redmond. I did use Thunderbird as my primary desktop email client for seven years in the workplace, but the more my job had me tangling with corporate tentacles, the more I had to settle for co-existence with Microsoft’s “embrace and extend” email strategy (the Exchange server and Outlook client). In 2010 I went to Outlook exclusively. I still occasionally use Thunderbird for personal email when I’m at my personal workstation, but I use GMail on all my mobile devices for personal communication. In my life, whoever owns the mail storage owns the client. Outlook is irresistible at work,but only because I don’t have to buy it. GMail is irresistible because Google is so clueful about how communication is evolving on the Internet. That leaves Thunderbird languishing on my personal workstation. So today I just want to say thank you, Mozilla, for making Thunderbird what it is. The ESR model is, to me, a satisfying next step. Thank you for giving me 1/20,000,000th of your attention. I look forward to your continued innovation along other lines, especially Kilimanjaro. One last thing: The elegance of Firefox Sync amazes me every day!
352
Mauricio said on July 15th, 2012 at 5:11 am:

Come on! This is not bad news.

You guys want Thunderbird to make coffee? It’s a email reader! This job it does very well.
I think Mozilla made the right decision. Thunderbird is on a very good stage in terms of functionality. It just needs security and stability.

Also, I understand the point that Mozilla wants people to join development for a long time, but it simply didn’t happen that way. It’s too much things for it to take care.
A well thought decision. Congratulations.
353
chili01234 said on July 15th, 2012 at 8:52 pm:

介紹網上賭場
オンラインカジノ
354
Christians said on July 16th, 2012 at 2:23 pm:

The length of and the emotion within this thread is amazing! It seems we all do LOVE Thunderbird and cannot believe that the most productive desktop email client has been parked.

May I ask the lady with the lawn mower crew-cut to please add a Thunderbird entry to

http://mozilla.bluestatedigital.com/page/content/donate

so we can let everybody know how much we need you Thunderbird!
355
JimC said on July 17th, 2012 at 2:30 pm:

If development on Thunderbird by Mozilla does not continue, that will strike a huge blow to open source software in general.

So, may you burn in hell for supporting this nonsense.

Hopefully, community members will fork all Mozilla apps (including Firefox and Thunderbird), so that this kind of abandonment of support for applications by Mozilla will be unnoticed in the future, as Mozilla’s stewardship of these applications is obviously not in the best interest of users.
356
k said on July 18th, 2012 at 12:14 am:

kk
357
Nian said on July 18th, 2012 at 5:15 am:

Ok so let me get this right, the devs have lost touch with reality and are committing suicide?

As far as I can see, Thunderbird needs more development, not less or none at all. With the dramatic popularity of smart phones, I was expecting Thunderbird for mobile to be announced months ago… Add that with a synv feature between mobile and desktop and we would have had a massive winner.

Short sighted isn’t even the word for what your doing, brain dead is closer to the point.
Sure opensourse is freeware, doesn’t mean a service has to be free, tie in a nice secure backup and encryption service to thunderbird desktop and a mobile version.
358
Nate said on July 18th, 2012 at 6:58 am:

I’m shocked and disturbed by this. But I’m not surprised.
Mozilla has Firefox desktop, metro, mobile, and an awful beta on iOS. What does Thunderbird have? Desktop, and some metro designs.
Aside from the poorly implemented “tabs on top”; Thunderbird hasn’t had an interface overhaul in years, while Firefox’s design elements get changed more often than a baby with diarrhea.
Mozilla is always working to bring browsers to new places, such as the B2G project and the chromeless project. Almost all of their E-mail work is in Thunderbird and some really old incomplete stuff from the early 2000s.
Point is, Mozilla has always viewed Thunderbird as a second class citizen. The only difference now is that they’re openly admitting it.

Thunderbird is an excellent program which can still be improved, and the only thing stopping it is Mozilla admitting it’s not a priority to them. If there was ever a legitimate reason to fork Thunderbird, it’s this.
359
Paul V said on July 18th, 2012 at 7:02 am:

This is eerily familiar to and reminiscent of when Eudora went under. I was a loyal user for years – too long, probably – and was overjoyed when T-Bird came along. I am another one who would happily pay for it, but I am not going to wait around. The ESR map shows an “end of life” state in a year and a half. Why wait?

It’s really sad. Also idiotic are the people who trash the idea of a local mail client. Aside from searchability and security advantages, nobody in this blundered, short-sighted world considers archival issues anymore. Much of the world’s history is built on correspondence. When you can no longer easily archive your mail or email. you lose something whose value is incalculable – your history, whether it be institutional or individual.

I suppose I’ll go to Mail.app and hope that Apple doesn’t apply their monomania for all things cloud to that app. I don’t see many other choices, especially after reading some of the reviews for Postbox on macupdate.com and after my own experience with Microsoft absolutely precludes me from using Outlook.

What a drag.
360
Nick Mailer said on July 18th, 2012 at 12:26 pm:

This announcement is nothing more than the final and total corruption of the original mission of the Mozilla Foundation. Products, monitization and the feather-bedding of the organisation’s corporate vitality are considered more important than the very mission that led to its existence.

In abandoning Thunderbird (and let’s not sugarcoat it – this is what is happening), Mozilla’s tail is wagging the dog.

A profound shame.
361
Thomas W said on July 18th, 2012 at 9:26 pm:

Has anyone at Mozilla considered integrating Thunderbird into Firefox? The oft-ignored fifth browser, Opera, has a built-in email client. Since Thunderbird is built on the same engine as Firefox, it seems like this shouldn’t be too hard at all. And then any update to the browser would be an update to the email client. Seems like it will solve whatever problem has caused them to ‘abandon’ Thunderbird to extended support.
362
22quadrat.de said on July 19th, 2012 at 11:54 am:

Thunderbird… the best email client in the world.
You can use add-ons to make it more individuell than another software.

I’m a computer technican and programmer with a large company. And I know from our customers, that cloud computig will be used in futere… but only for non-necessary data.
maybe private pictures, music, etc.

Emails and necessary files (sensitive) will be hosted on own servers in own networks.
No one will trust the clouds…

Thunderbird is a extremly high standard software… i think it will bring me and my customers throgh the next years. But I’m sure, that will be not the end for one of the best software in the world, and sure the BEST email client in the world.

What do I love in Thunderbird:
- google-contacts –> android smartphone
- google-calendar (Lightning, + google provider) –> android smartphone
- indivudual design with stationery
- using quicktext for often used phrases
- attachment options for individual handling with attachments
- using the calender when is included (via lightning)
- really love the adressbook
- use the RSS function

“Used Outlook before… but locked out for Thunderbird. And really addictet to Thunderbird.”
363
black said on July 20th, 2012 at 2:49 am:

Lapis lazuli: lapis lazuli is sodalite group a mineral; the lapis lazuli formula ( Na, Ca )7-8( Al, Si )12( O, S )24( SO4), Al2Cl2( OH )2( OH )2, which is often part of sodium to potassium replacement, http://www.wholesalechinasite.com/sulfur partially as sulfate, chloride or selenium replacement. Lapis lazuli include Persian lapis lazuli, Soviet lapis lazuli or France lapis lazuli, Chilean lapis.
364
Faustino José de Faria said on July 20th, 2012 at 3:29 pm:

It’s very simple:
Users like firefox.
Users love thunderbird.
365
Jos G said on July 22nd, 2012 at 1:35 am:

I am stunned!
It seemed to me that I am using Thunderbird for ages now, since I left outlook express for it! And I adviced lots of people to use it too, because it’s an excellent mail-program.
Now that I read that I have to start looking once more for a good program, I am very disappointed! What will be the next program they are stopping? Every time when there’s a good program but there doesn’t seem to be anough money to earn, they kill it! Poor customers, but that’s not what it’s about! Its all about the money!
Well, I need to start looking!……………
366
Ann said on July 25th, 2012 at 7:41 am:

Why is Mozilla so crazy lately? Did some new executive take over and decide to drive it into the ground? Firefox OS? You’ve got to be kidding. No one will ever use that. You’ve got the best email client out there, but instead of fixing 5-year old bugs, you’re abandoning it to work on things that no one asked for and no one will use?
367
Gary Mort said on July 26th, 2012 at 8:02 am:

I see why this decision was made, without community contribution it can seem kind of lonely. I think what your missing is that the extension community IS community contribution, and taking the best of extensions to incorporate into Thunderbird is a way forward.

I continue to use Thunderbird as it is a cross-platform tool to access all my email. I use both the web and thunderbird to access my gmail, as I prefer thunderbird but sometimes use a system where it’s not installed.

There is still room for growth within Thunderbird too.
Android and iOS versions would be ideal…there is no decent email client for mobile phones.

The sieve plugin is fantastic, embedding this into thunderbird would be perfect.

Extending filter management to also work with the gmail api and get filters off the desktop would be great.

That’s about it…3 things to make Thunderbird absolutely perfect.
368
Aaron Toponce said on July 29th, 2012 at 7:33 am:

Well, of course Thunderbird isn’t innovating, because the mail target is a rather static one. What new advancements has there been in mail? New protocols? Nope. New RFCs? Nope. Anything? Nope. Yet, compare it to the ever-moving target of the web. HTML 5 and CSS 3, Javascript JITs, hardware acceleration, just to name a few. Do you need to hardware accelerate your email?

I don’t blame Mozilla for making the decision they have. Mail is old and stagnant. Has been for ages. What do you expect? The web is fresh and ever-changing. But, as soon as Google decides to stop supporting the Mozilla product, then what? Who will step up to pay their bills? Mozilla needs to keep a sharp focus, and a dedicated team. So, I think this is a very wise move on their part.

Further, if the community wants to step up and support developing new features into Thunderbird, then let them. After all, Debian is a big success of grassroots, community driven development. If Thunderbird is that important to the community, they’ll fill in and take over.
369
drspinderwalf said on July 29th, 2012 at 6:08 pm:

This move was a very smart one. There’s less need for resources on TB and Seamonkey than on Firefox.

However, I do love the direction they were going for in their designs as thunderbird being the application for all messaging in general (be that IM, Mail, or any other sort of communication). Hopefully some interested folks in the community will provide some interesting patches.

I mean, there’s always Sylpheed and Claws mail, too. Lots of great FOSS software out there.
370
شات صوتي said on July 31st, 2012 at 4:10 pm:

tnxssssss:$
371
Multiaccounter said on August 3rd, 2012 at 3:07 am:

Please do at least 5 things before stop. 1. Build a natively working Exhange support. I hate Outlook and we need Thundurbird at the office too!

So, you need to integrate 2. Linghting and 3. enigmail to Thundurebird asap! 4. After this you need to add xmpp support to Thunderbird as we need 5. IM features too plus working Video conversation client. Thunderbird is collaboration tool nr# 1.

And how can you say that Thunderbird is done? It’s far from it and its even more important now than decade a go. Now we have MULTIBLE e-mail accounts and no web based service or client can manage that!

I can tell you at least ten more features needed. Just don’t stop moving ahead!

If you stop now – Please – let some other community to take over this project – Now you work and act like Stephen (Idiot) Elop with her burnig float strategy in Nokia.
372
Mike Edward Moras (e-sushi™) said on August 5th, 2012 at 7:11 pm:

Dear Mozilla,

As you know from your “aggregate” data collections, we’ve been knowing each other for decades. I gave you my trust, I gave you my time, I gave you my support and I gave you my feedback.

And during all these years, things felt absolutely right.

But lately, I’ve been feeling more and more surprised by your mood-swings and your intimate dances with Google. Reading what you wrote today was the final eye-opener to me, as it finally dawned upon me that you have not only flirted, but actually managed to completely sell out to Google without even admitting to it. But I understand that you are relying on the fact that your actions scream so loud, not a single word needs to be wasted.

Now, I know this is going to be hard for you to hear, but I’ve got some nice people standing in my back yard, waving with their shiny, minimal browsers and email clients… and to tell you the truth, compared to them, you don’t feel that good anymore. That’s right, you’ve lost your special something… you’ve lost your *glow*!

Anyway, I’m not a heart-breaker like you are, cutting half way through our relationship out of the blue. I prefer a clean cut all the way through. That’s why I’m herewith officially telling you that I will be abandoning you today. This is it. The point of no return. The day you finally managed to screw up our relationship for ever.

But no hard feelings from my side. Actually it was my fault because I should have known you by now. A wolf doesn’t change it’s coat. And things are obviously going down just like back in the Netscape days, aren’t they? Time will show what I’m seeing coming… again.

Therefore, I wish you luck – as you will need it while the masses depart. And I wish you comfort – in the dark nights where you will try to remind yourself of the good old days that once were so comforting.

Bah, whatever!

Can’t waste too much time anymore. I’m off now. I’ve got a date with a brand new browser and email client and I sure don’t want to be late because of you.

Best,

Mike
373
Mike Edward Moras (e-sushi™) said on August 5th, 2012 at 7:16 pm:

Just couldn’t help myself adding a post scriptum: “Next up, email in your browser!”
(Just wait and see… been there done it, same story again.)
374
Nigelle said on August 8th, 2012 at 9:24 am:

Thunderbird (TB) has several problems :
1) The main : most of the people in US do not use a mailer as TB but the Web-mail interface of their browser. In all other countries it is the reverse, the mailer is the most common use…
Unfortunately most Mozilla people (workers or decision taking) are in the US and are US citizen because it is difficult to be allowed to work if you are a foreigner, so they don’t use TB and think that it has no interest and is not needed !
This is the perfect situation to take a biased decision taking into account only US that is less than 1/20 of the world population or 1/10 of the PCs…
2) Due to 1) TB is starved from development resources : old (>10 years) bugs with many votes (>50) are not yet been fixed e.g.
-Bug 11039 – Filter outgoing/Sent messages (perhaps to use a different Sent/FCC folder) ; Reported: 1999-08-01 ; enhancement with 116 votes .
filtering manually sent message is working but an option to do it automatically as for inbox messages is needed by users…
-Bug 93094 – [RFE] Add an archive mail feature (automatic archiving of messages per month /other interval) ; Reported: 2001-08-01 ; enhancement with 61 votes .
users wish to have old mail moved to a backup drive (and not in C: with the normal mail as presently available) and still accessible by TB….
So it is untrue to say that development is finished.
3) Why a mailer is needed ? this is a question of functionality : with good settings and one action and eventually entering password(s), TB receives all your mail in a row and sends all the email you have prepared, compare this to Web-mail in which you have to access all the sites of your email addresses providers and enter all your users and passwords…
I know how I backup my mails from a POP server and I am confident. I don’t know how this is done by the web-mail server.
It is interesting for an hacker to break a web-mail server and obtain access to all the accounts with all their mails. On a POP server where I erase messages after my backup there are just few mails left. If you hack my PC you’ll have all of them but except if I am a VIP nobody will try to hack it !
4) Is the community sufficient ? No except if the project has a charismatic recognized genius as leader because he can convince voluntary developers to fix a particular bug or start a new development… And developers program a functions in the way that is easy to code but not the best for the users e.g. the answer to inbox messages goes into the same folder i.e. inbox !
5) What should Mozilla organisation do ? What the voluntary developers cannot or do not wish to do.
-Have paid developers to fix old bugs with many votes and more or less high severity according rules to be defined when nobody is voluntary.
-Offer general services.
-Plan long term developments and their directions. Copying what the others do and having many functions that only a few % use is not the best solution…
-Study what should be the architecture.
6) What should NOT Mozilla organisation do ?
-Waste users and developers time by changing User Interface of program existing for a long time : 1/10 of an hour (6 minutes, a big underestimate) to learn again how it works for 20 000 000 users means 2 000 000 hours which is equivalent to 1000 men working full time (2000 hours for 50 weeks of 40 hours). It is important to have a good UI but it should be studied before first release of the program to users and not changed after the second release except catastrophic failure.
-develop an Operating System : this should be a separate project. Mozilla may help with screen management or browser and mailer integration. An OS is an other job…
7) The profile architecture of TB and FF is obsolete, it was valid only at the beginning of Netscape when there was only a profile per user or an address mail (account architecture of TB). This limit the functionality offered to users and a newer architecture is perhaps the reason why FF has been overtaken by an other browser.
Think again the file structure : some files are better system-wide (as the virus signatures data base of my antivirus) e.g. urlclassifier3.sqlite the dangerous URLs, others user-wide e.g. bookmarks or the address book, others in the profile. For TB in particular, the accounts=mail addresses should be organised in groups (present profiles) but with the possibility to move to an other group to follow the status of the address : current with many or few messages, phasing out for too much spam, abandoned…
As most on-the-shelf PCs have now 2 partitions : one for Windows, the other for data an easy method to put what is presently included in the profile in this second partition (which is a safer place). Presently it is possible only if you are a geek and the root e.g. profiles.ini remains in C: which is unpleasant to reconstruct if you format C: …
8) Advertising through a mailer seems difficult : either it is spam if new mail is sent or it is tampering of correspondence which is illegal. With web-mail, it is easy to show advertising around the email part of the screen. Did Goggle or other advertisers have a voice in the decision against TB ?
9) Beware : if you phase out TB, users may find an other mailer but as mailer and browser often go together they may also use the other browser instead of FF…
375
anduzzu said on August 13th, 2012 at 2:26 am:

Thunderbird is my favorite email client. I used it on Windows and I countinue to use it on my linux machine. It’s awsome!
376
Bob Cross said on August 17th, 2012 at 2:27 am:

I’m going to echo most of what’s already been said. First off Firefox _and_ Thunderbird are a great “one-two” punch against IE/Outlook – and those two aren’t cross-platform, FF/TB are!

Secondly, I just can’t believe that Mozilla folks are seriously suggesting that _any_ web-based email system has the power/flexibility that Thunderbird has “out of the box”, never mind with a selection of the excellent add-ons that exist. I can be far more productive in TB than GMail for example, and as for Live-Mail/Hotmail – I use the webmail plug in on TB because it makes using Hotmail a lot nicer. Heck, I’m so much of a TB fan, that it’s a piece of software that I’d happily pay for.

Lastly, I just can’t believe that Mozilla are dropping TB in favour of this “FirefoxOS”. My problem with this project is that it’s … just … not … needed. There’s already Android, ChromeOS, Tizen, et al covering what FirefoxOS seems to want to do. If Mozilla are hell bent on reinventing a fifth wheel then presumably we’ll be seeing a “Firefox Office” shortly?

As you can probably tell, I’m very unimpressed with this decision of Mozilla’s and it’s one I hope that they’ll reconsider.
377
Clemens said on August 20th, 2012 at 6:02 am:

I loved to use mozilla thunderbird, hope they won’t let it die…
378
Tacky said on August 20th, 2012 at 9:43 am:

i absolutely agree with Nigelle #374, TB has in its “final” Version several, partly heavy problems.
Today a IMPORTANT email has vanished, nowhere to find. Yes, absolutely shure.
Gogl the web shows same results from other users, often not solved.
I have a idea where the problem could be found ( a mix of a lot opened eMails, long time archieve demand denied, several accounts etc ).
I really absolutely cant believe that TB is eating eMails, but there’s no doubt about it.
( i have the counterpart in the send-folder)
I know a few bugs from working where i must say, if you have several accounts and are
working intensive you MUST detect this bugs, so i cant believe that there is a reasonable
testing in the TB environment.
i am very dissapointed, and this and a lot of issues with FF shows to me that there are some
very fundamental problems…

PS:
379
Sohbet said on August 21st, 2012 at 2:10 am:

I’d much rather use a desktop client than a web client.
380
Anders said on August 25th, 2012 at 2:05 am:

Sounds like there’s a great opportunity for someone to pick up Thunderbird from where it is now and make a commercial version of it…

Any takers?

Mozilla?
381
Sascha said on August 31st, 2012 at 2:25 am:

I don´t think that this is a wise decision. Because it doesn´t fit to the policy always pronounced by Mozilla. At the moment is a real good e-mail client, like Thunderbird, the best an most private way to handle e-mails. This won´t change in the future, no matter if there is a Cloud or a Webmail feature. The Cloud is nothing more as a external storage wich is located in the internet. Webmail is may good for only one e-mail account or for checking your e-mails while you are on the road.
This is disappointing and i hope you think about that for a while, before you will really do this mistake…
382
Peter m. said on September 3rd, 2012 at 3:02 am:

I am very disappointed. Having lost my trust into web-companies I don’t use web-clients and cloud services, as I usually like to control my data. That’s why I use an desktop-client like Thunderbird to manage my e-mail and contacts.
I believe, it’s a big error to join the choir who shouts that all data shold be organized in clouds (under control of Google, Apple etc.) That’s only what these companies want me to think. Then, after a time of lovely benefits they will tell me, what I may do or think and what I must not. However: do I really need these benefits? or am I manipulated?
The past has showed that not everything thas has been developed was a positive development for the human society.
So I am reaaly sad about the decision of Mozilla to bury Thunderbird.
383
Sam said on September 7th, 2012 at 5:19 am:

Start a “kickstarter” plan for Thunderbird features.
Have users pledge money for the features they want.

Prominently feature a “donate” button.

Encourage companies with wide deployments to donate.

————————————–

Please keep developing Thunderbird. I want / need local email, not web based.
We have thousands of emails, and web email is just too slow.

Develop a version for Android and for Apple.

Develop an addressbook that synchronizes with others, automatically.

————————————

Browser
There are many browsers that are good enough. I like and use Firefox but the truth is that FF could go away and my work day would not hiccup.
But if we lost Thunderbird that is a major problem.

OS
No way would I switch to a FireFox OS. An OS without apps / software I need is useless.

Please please keep Thunderbird going

thank you
384
Martin Forisch said on September 13th, 2012 at 11:35 am:

Oh well, spent years weening my surrounding off Outlook, now that I’v almost succeed, this….

1) I prefer a fat email client for my mail and most people in my surrounding agree.
2) Webmail offers tend to lock in users.
I.e. at least some providers do not make it easy to migrate away from them, as an export function is missing most of the time.
So if you want to switch your email provider, you have to say goodbye to some of your historic mail and the folder structure it is stored in.
If you want control of your mail: Use a fat email client.
3)Email on smartphones is on the rise, one might think that removes the need for a fat email client: My take on this: Good for casual usage, not good for longer mails and longterm storage.
4)Email is a pervasive communication method, widely used and despite the rise of facebook, google+ and other such platforms a common denominator in modern communication.
Despite the reasons given above I can not fathom the decision of mozilla.org not wanting to further develop this space.

just my 0.2 c
Regards, Martin
385
Thomas said on September 21st, 2012 at 4:16 pm:

I´m working for a Meditation centre,

all people there are working honorary, no one get´s money for his work.
The whole facility is based on gifts from people who came there and got
great benefits of this meditation technique.

So the centre itself tries to keep all the cost on a minimum.
Thunderbird is doing a great job in our office und helps to keep the cost low.

Many of the centre servers haven´t much money,
because they give all their power to keep the centre working. Many of them are using
Thunderbird too.

If we loose Thunderbird we will have a problem.

So please keep Thunderbird going.

Thank you for all your efforts until today.

best regards,

thomas
386
Kevin McCormick said on September 23rd, 2012 at 5:39 am:

Quote:
“the Thunderbird team has developed a plan that provides both stability for Thunderbird’s current state and allows the Thunderbird community to innovate if it chooses.”

This may seem a bit rude, but I want to make my point. How kind of you. It appears the Thunderbird team has developed themselves into a box — nowhere to go, but not willing to give up their position. Naturally, offer the users the option to “innovate” (according to the team’s predefined notion) and maintain control. Perhaps Thunderbird just can’t attract top developers, but I believe Mozilla should be looking for a new Thunderbird team.
387
Selena Gomez Hot said on October 6th, 2012 at 4:42 pm:

Hey there! I could have sworn I’ve been to this website before but after browsing through some of the post I realized it’s new to
me. Anyways, I’m definitely glad I found it and I’ll be book-marking and checking back
often!
388
information and design said on October 13th, 2012 at 6:53 pm:

Fine way of telling, and fastidious post to take facts about my presentation
topic, which i am going to deliver in school.
389
Ryan said on October 16th, 2012 at 3:28 pm:

Obviously bad news for those who want constant innovation, but I really do understand this decision. Thunderbird is already the best desktop email client, and the truth is that most people use webmail and aren’t going to return to managing their own mailbox. Concentrate on security and stability, and let the community drive it from here
390
wayfair sunglasses shop said on October 28th, 2012 at 3:08 am:

I think that everything posted made a bunch of sense.

But, what about this? what if you added a little content? I mean, I
don’t wish to tell you how to run your website, but what if you added a post title that grabbed people’s
attention? I mean Thunderbird: Stability and Community Innovation
| Mitchell’s Blog is kinda boring. You could look at Yahoo’s front page and
watch how they create article headlines to get viewers to click.

You might try adding a video or a picture or two to get people excited about everything’ve got to say. In my opinion, it would bring your posts a little livelier.
391
http://fredsdiner.com/events said on November 3rd, 2012 at 10:31 am:

great points altogether, you just won a logo new reader.
What may you suggest in regards to your put up that you simply made some days ago?

Any sure?
392
pick up bootcamp said on November 18th, 2012 at 9:01 am:

You really smashed it once more my friend continue the great work I always get
enjoyment from your own posts! ? !
393
Phillipp said on November 24th, 2012 at 6:45 am:

I loved as much as you will receive carried out right here.
The sketch is attractive, your authored subject matter stylish.

nonetheless, you command get bought an edginess over that you wish be delivering
the following. unwell unquestionably come further formerly again
as exactly the same nearly a lot often inside case you shield this
increase.
394
my.opera.com said on December 2nd, 2012 at 1:41 am:

Hello! Your post rocks as well as being a reputable fantastic realize!
??
I can??t genuinely assist but appreciate your weblog site, your web
site is adorable and nice
My partner and I stumbled more than right here different web site and thought I really should check factors
out.
I like what I see so i am just subsequent you.
Look ahead to discovering your web webpage however again.
395
ilya said on December 5th, 2012 at 11:05 pm:

Sorry, but this is very bad idea. Thunderbird is best standalone client in their field with unique functions and great extention api + very big library. It does not replace Gmail or Hotmail. No other interface that has such a unique opportunity. Termination of its development – it’s a mistake and you’re good to feel it. Not everything in our lives can be transferred online and in each forest birds need. In Thunderbird there will be numerous fans.
396
www.hypermarket-brasov.ro said on December 9th, 2012 at 8:33 am:

I was wondering if you ever thought of changing the structure
of your blog? Its very well written; I love what youve got to say.
But maybe you could a little more in the way of content so people could
connect with it better. Youve got an awful lot of
text for only having 1 or 2 images. Maybe you could space it out better?
397
Lowell Skoog said on December 29th, 2012 at 8:29 am:

I just switched to Thunderbird 17.0 from Eudora 7 as my primary email client.

That’s right, I just switched TO Thunderbird. I was a paid customer of Eudora for years, and I’ve continued to limp along using my old copy on new computers and new operating system releases (Windows), but I finally decided I needed to transition away from it.

I don’t have the time (and probably don’t have the expertise) to contribute to the maintenance of Thunderbird at this point in my life, but for me it is the best email solution available. I’m going to continue to use it for the foreseeable future and I sincerely hope that it remains viable.

My use of email is perhaps not typical. I’ve been active on-line since the 1980s, before the birth of the web. I’m an amateur historian, and I have THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of emails documenting my historical research. I absolutely need to know that these emails are safe on my personal backup disks and that I’m not susceptible to the kind of catastrophic cloud hacking that James Fallows described in a blog post several months ago:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/11/hacked/308673/#

I also value the fact that Thunderbird (like Eudora) saves emails in a collection of files that, in a pinch, I can read using a simple text editor, rather than a binary “blob” (i.e. Outlook) which, if corrupted, could result in the loss of all my emails.

I was delighted at the ease with which I was able to move my thousands of email folders to Thunderbird when I installed version 17.0 recently. I’m getting used to Thunderbird now, and am very happy with it so far. If Thunderbird deteriorates at some indeterminate time in the future, I will deal with it. (I know there are applications out there that I can use to convert my email archives to other formats.) But for now and for the foreseeable future, I’m sticking with Thunderbird.

Thanks to Mozilla and the Thunderbird community for creating such a great email client.

Keep calm and carry on.
398
bird-person said on January 3rd, 2013 at 12:23 am:

Mozilla has been starving out Mail & News for _years_. Dressing it up as though some benevolent decision has been made is just the corporate talk one would expect from the likes of Ms. Baker. Mozilla has tens of Millions in revenue, and practically none of this is going to develop anything in Mail & News, leaving most people to the mercy of MS Outlook.

What a frustration this all is for dedicated users and extension developers.
399
gaming news said on January 7th, 2013 at 9:26 pm:

Your way of telling all in this piece of writing is
truly pleasant, every one can easily understand it, Thanks a
lot.
400
Wallace said on January 9th, 2013 at 4:22 pm:

What’s up, for all time i used to check website posts here in the early hours in the daylight, for the reason that i like to learn more and more.
401
bdosfan said on February 11th, 2013 at 1:15 pm:

I am just praying that Mozilla will fix this – for years known – damned problem of changing font sizes while editing an email, before they REALLY leave us alone with this mess!!!

Had I known about this problem earlier I would have changed to another email client. I loved ans still do love many of the other the features, in particular the finely tunable filter rules! Or multiple identities, a great feature with potential for more development and improvement.

However, what’s not going to happen does not happen.

@Mozilla. PLEASE, get this font problem fixed, before you bury Thunderbird!!! Thanks in the name of ALL those millions of Thunderbird users.
402
sebastian stencel infobrokering said on February 14th, 2013 at 5:41 am:

Wow, awesome weblog layout! How long have you been blogging
for? you made running a blog glance easy. The overall look of
your website is great, as well as the content material!
403
David Gessel said on February 23rd, 2013 at 10:10 am:

This is a disastrous decision. Obviously Mozilla can’t be forced to look out for the welfare of the world when there is money to be made in rev share with default search, but killing the most popular legitimate mail client, and which has to some extent by its success driven out of the market many viable alternatives, borders on evil.

While droves of naive users trust webmail provided for “free” by for-profit corporations (and, sadly, many savvy users who should know better do as well), it is a false economy to gift something so dear and central as our correspondence in exchange for at-whim convenience.

It is unnerving that some of the most successful open source stories, the Mozilla foundation and Ubuntu, have been co-opted into embracing the Orwellian path to profits championed by Facebook. Privacy is dead. At least as a viable business model.

It is my sincere hope that the community is able to maintain this critical tool’s viability indefinitely.
404
vrnx said on March 18th, 2013 at 11:30 am:

Maybe instead of trying to come up with new innovative features, Mozilla should’ve made the existing ones work the way they’re supposed to…

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568976
405
Vulli Sophie the Giraffe Teether said on March 19th, 2013 at 2:56 am:

Hi, i believe that i noticed you visited my site so i got here to return the
prefer?.I am attempting to to find issues to improve my site!
I suppose its ok to use a few of your ideas!
!
406
The Tao Of Badass review said on March 20th, 2013 at 4:02 am:

My family members all the time say that I am wasting my time
here at net, except I know I am getting know-how every day
by reading thes pleasant posts.
407
garcinia cambogia said on March 21st, 2013 at 8:50 pm:

Its not my first time to go to see this web page, i am visiting this
web site dailly and obtain good facts from here daily.
408
Bob Martel said on March 27th, 2013 at 5:18 pm:

Wish the ability to edit LDAP based address books had been finished ( bug fixed) before it was decided to reallocate resources.
409
Art said on March 28th, 2013 at 3:58 pm:

Mitchell…if stability is the paramount goal why has Thunderbird continued to lose user emails . I’m using 17 and have just experienced the total loss of thousands of business and personal emails and folder contents …without recourse. Reading posts I’ve found I’m one amongst many who have suffered the same fate.

The quantity of conflicting advice to resolve issues, along with complaints of no resolution with newer releases paints a picture of complete incompetence and stupidity.

I’ve used Thunderbird for many years and now find myself seeking a more trustworthy solution.
410
The Muscle Maximizer said on March 29th, 2013 at 12:18 am:

What i do not understood is in truth how you are no longer really much more well-appreciated
than you may be now. You’re very intelligent. You know thus significantly in relation to this subject, produced me in my opinion consider it from a lot of numerous angles. Its like women and men don’t
seem to be involved until it’s something to accomplish with Lady gaga! Your personal stuffs outstanding. Always handle it up!
411
Concerned user said on April 1st, 2013 at 3:27 am:

Not sure if this will fall on deaf ears or not, but if thunderbird is basically owned by google, then why not roll it out as a google platform and make it a desktop client for gmail, google voice, google talk, google drive et al? This would make life easier for folks like me who use those apps every day on my linux system and would like there to be some kind of tray notification when I get a call or a text or an IM or a gmail email. This would bring the product up to current with the current state of affairs and would give a good alternative to those of us who prefer firefox to chrome (course if chrome lets you work with IMAP providers other than gmail, then thunderbird is in trouble!)
412
Concerned user said on April 1st, 2013 at 3:29 am:

Mitchell – Dont go looking for more stable in the form of gnome’s evolution. those guys really messed that client up badly – i just jumped ship from that client. between gnome 3 and evolution they seem to have forgotten how to write good code…
413
roscoe said on April 2nd, 2013 at 3:51 pm:

This is really disappointing.

First Sunbird – a fine, robust Calendar app gets killed off.

Then Songbird support on Linux was dropped.

Now development of Thunderbird, the only reliable free GUI email client, is to be “left to the community”.

Mozilla are putting all of their eggs in one basket with this narrow focus on Firefox OS, which, lets face it, is doomed to failure. There is no way Firefox OS can compete with Android. Thunderbird was great because it gave Mozilla a niche – Google don’t offer a desktop Email Client.

Mitchell says “we have seen the rising popularity of Web-based forms of communications”. With Thunderbird being effectively mothballed, and a lack of other good free GUI based email clients, many people will have little choice but to switch to webmail.

Also I don’t believe that people have an aversion to native apps – look at the remarkable popularity of the Apple and Android appstores. In contrast, Chrome OS, which relies solely upon webapps, has not been as wildly successful, so I think this suggestion that no one wants native apps anymore, they all want webapps instead is untrue.

I know Mozilla are saying thunderbird is not dying… it will just be community lead from now on, but look at Sunbird. When Sunbird development was “handed over to the community” a number of years ago the project basically died. I’ve just checked on Wikipedia and the last new stable release of Sunbird was in 2008! I fear a similar fate for thunderbird – that it will stagnate and slowly die.

Also, Thunderbird is very good, but is NOT feature complete. GPG encryption should be included by default, rather than having to rely upon an add on, for instance. The addition of Chat functionality is controversial, but, for me, a decent chat client needs to allow you to make audio and video calls. Thunderbird does not offer this functionality, so for my chat client I am going to use Pidgin or Empathy or some other program that does.

I would prefer it if Mozilla dropped Firefox OS and instead developed their own Mozilla Linux distribution with Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird and Songbird joined by other software that would complement it well… for example a Mozilla photo manager app, a Mozilla File manager, a Mozilla Video Editor and a Mozilla Office suite and all of this really well integrated to provide a cohesive experience with quality I have come to expect from Mozillas individual products.
414
Minecraft Xbox 360 said on April 8th, 2013 at 11:02 pm:

Asking questions are genuinely good thing if you are not understanding something totally, but this piece
of writing gives pleasant understanding even.
415
Muramasa Rebirth PS3 said on April 9th, 2013 at 1:23 am:

Excellent blog here! Also your website loads up very fast!
What web host are you using? Can I get your affiliate
link to your host? I wish my website loaded up as fast as yours lol
416
knfkzuml said on April 9th, 2013 at 8:40 pm:

tcfn [url=http://www.honmonobaggusaishin.com/]mcm 店舗[/url][url=http://www.mcmutsukushiibag.com/]mcm 店舗[/url][url=http://chloechiipubag.harisen.jp/]クロエアウトレット[/url][url=http://chloebagnesage.shin-gen.jp/]chloe バッグ[/url][url=http://chloebaggukan.aikotoba.jp/]クロエバッグ[/url] cjxs
[url=http://www.honmonobaggusaishin.com/]mcm 財布[/url][url=http://www.mcmutsukushiibag.com/]mcm 財布[/url][url=http://chloechiipubag.harisen.jp/]chloe バッグ[/url][url=http://chloebagnesage.shin-gen.jp/]クロエバッグ[/url][url=http://chloebaggukan.aikotoba.jp/]クロエバッグ[/url] twnw
[url=http://www.honmonobaggusaishin.com/]mcm[/url][url=http://www.mcmutsukushiibag.com/]mcm[/url][url=http://chloechiipubag.harisen.jp/]chloe バッグ[/url][url=http://chloebagnesage.shin-gen.jp/]chloe 財布[/url][url=http://chloebaggukan.aikotoba.jp/]chloe 財布[/url] gkgb
[url=http://www.honmonobaggusaishin.com/]mcm[/url][url=http://www.mcmutsukushiibag.com/]mcm 財布[/url][url=http://chloechiipubag.harisen.jp/]クロエ[/url][url=http://chloebagnesage.shin-gen.jp/]クロエアウトレット[/url][url=http://chloebaggukan.aikotoba.jp/]クロエバッグ[/url] idll
[url=http://www.honmonobaggusaishin.com/]mcm 店舗[/url][url=http://www.mcmutsukushiibag.com/]mcm[/url][url=http://chloechiipubag.harisen.jp/]chloe 財布[/url][url=http://chloebagnesage.shin-gen.jp/]chloe バッグ[/url][url=http://chloebaggukan.aikotoba.jp/]chloe 財布[/url] jiue

kebz
tpgx
knsu [url=http://www.honmonobaggusaishin.com/][/url][url=http://www.mcmutsukushiibag.com/][/url][url=http://chloechiipubag.harisen.jp/][/url][url=http://chloebagnesage.shin-gen.jp/][/url][url=http://chloebaggukan.aikotoba.jp/][/url]
417
uminiekx said on April 9th, 2013 at 8:42 pm:

kxon [url=http://www.honmonobagmabushii.biz/]フェラガモ財布[/url] [url=http://www.teirenshoeskan.com/]MBT[/url] [url=http://www.fasshonshoesmabushii.net/]ニューバランス 996[/url] [url=http://www.tokukakubuutsumabushii.biz/]ニューバランス 996[/url] [url=http://www.uresujibaggukireii.net/]フェラガモ財布[/url] ngtr
[url=http://www.honmonobagmabushii.biz/]フェラガモバッグ[/url] [url=http://www.teirenshoeskan.com/]MBT[/url] [url=http://www.fasshonshoesmabushii.net/]ニューバランス 574[/url] [url=http://www.tokukakubuutsumabushii.biz/]ニューバランス 1300[/url] [url=http://www.uresujibaggukireii.net/]フェラガモ[/url] sepz
[url=http://www.honmonobagmabushii.biz/]フェラガモ[/url] [url=http://www.teirenshoeskan.com/]mbt ブーツ[/url] [url=http://www.fasshonshoesmabushii.net/]ニューバランス 574[/url] [url=http://www.tokukakubuutsumabushii.biz/]ニューバランス[/url] [url=http://www.uresujibaggukireii.net/]ferragamo 靴[/url] sznx
[url=http://www.honmonobagmabushii.biz/]フェラガモ[/url] [url=http://www.teirenshoeskan.com/]mbt ウォーキング[/url] [url=http://www.fasshonshoesmabushii.net/]ニューバランス 574[/url] [url=http://www.tokukakubuutsumabushii.biz/]ニューバランス 574[/url] [url=http://www.uresujibaggukireii.net/]フェラガモ靴[/url] chnw
[url=http://www.honmonobagmabushii.biz/]フェラガモ財布[/url] [url=http://www.teirenshoeskan.com/]mbt シューズ[/url] [url=http://www.fasshonshoesmabushii.net/]ニューバランス 1300[/url] [url=http://www.tokukakubuutsumabushii.biz/]ニューバランス 1300[/url] [url=http://www.uresujibaggukireii.net/]フェラガモ財布[/url] vpyd

mlpw
jglm
vpiy [url=http://www.honmonobagmabushii.biz/]仙台
[/url] [url=http://www.teirenshoeskan.com/]fan
[/url] [url=http://www.fasshonshoesmabushii.net/]メガネケース
[/url] [url=http://www.tokukakubuutsumabushii.biz/]iphoneケース
[/url] [url=http://www.uresujibaggukireii.net/]ベルト
[/url]
418
egygtaes said on April 9th, 2013 at 9:08 pm:

jygx [url=http://www.osharebuutsukakuyasu.net/]エアマックス[/url][url=http://www.tokukakubuutsunihonn.biz/]air max2013[/url][url=http://www.fasshonshoesyoppu.com/]エアマックス[/url][url=http://www.saishinbuutsudaininki.net/]エアマックス[/url][url=http://www.ryuukoubuutsuheyokoso.org/]air max2013[/url] azok
[url=http://www.osharebuutsukakuyasu.net/]air max[/url][url=http://www.tokukakubuutsunihonn.biz/]エアマックス[/url][url=http://www.fasshonshoesyoppu.com/]エアマックス[/url][url=http://www.saishinbuutsudaininki.net/]エアマックス[/url][url=http://www.ryuukoubuutsuheyokoso.org/]エアマックス[/url] rtzg
[url=http://www.osharebuutsukakuyasu.net/]air max2013[/url][url=http://www.tokukakubuutsunihonn.biz/]エアマックス[/url][url=http://www.fasshonshoesyoppu.com/]air max2013[/url][url=http://www.saishinbuutsudaininki.net/]エアマックス2013[/url][url=http://www.ryuukoubuutsuheyokoso.org/]エアマックス[/url] vprr
[url=http://www.osharebuutsukakuyasu.net/]エアマックス[/url][url=http://www.tokukakubuutsunihonn.biz/]air max2013[/url][url=http://www.fasshonshoesyoppu.com/]エアマックス2013[/url][url=http://www.saishinbuutsudaininki.net/]エアマックス[/url][url=http://www.ryuukoubuutsuheyokoso.org/]エアマックス2013[/url] kzjp
[url=http://www.osharebuutsukakuyasu.net/]air max[/url][url=http://www.tokukakubuutsunihonn.biz/]エアマックス2013[/url][url=http://www.fasshonshoesyoppu.com/]air max2013[/url][url=http://www.saishinbuutsudaininki.net/]エアマックス2013[/url][url=http://www.ryuukoubuutsuheyokoso.org/]air max2013[/url] mbwk

hvue
huej
jfns [url=http://www.osharebuutsukakuyasu.net/]財布バッグ
[/url][url=http://www.tokukakubuutsunihonn.biz/]メガネフレーム
[/url][url=http://www.fasshonshoesyoppu.com/]70249
[/url][url=http://www.saishinbuutsudaininki.net/]仙台
[/url][url=http://www.ryuukoubuutsuheyokoso.org/]タータン
[/url]
419
me said on April 15th, 2013 at 6:36 pm:

I am curious what companies will use from now on. Outlook is a s…t. You cannot use an obscure email client full of Trojans.

There is no PRO desktop email client on market at this time or maybe it is but with a huge cost.

I am wondering how these “managers” are thinking the strategies. They wake up in the morning and they think like this: “I want to do something thing, I want the people to talk about ME. YES, I remove X product!”

A lot of stupidity on this planet.
420
Chanel said on April 30th, 2013 at 12:27 am:

Thanks for any other fantastic post. The place else may
just anyone get that kind of information in such an ideal means of writing?

I have a presentation next week, and I’m on the search for such information.
421
http://shush1929.blog.fc2.com/ said on May 10th, 2013 at 4:55 pm:

I always used to read post in news papers but now as I am a user of net therefore from now I am
using net for content, thanks to web.
422
pure raspberry ketone said on May 18th, 2013 at 11:10 am:

Excellent blog you have here but I was curious about if you knew of any message boards that cover the same topics talked
about here? I’d really like to be a part of community where I can get suggestions from other knowledgeable people that share the same interest. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. Many thanks!
423
Louis Vuitton Shoes said on June 12th, 2013 at 7:04 am:

Hi to every one, the contents existing at this web site are actually awesome for people knowledge, well, keep up the good work fellows.
424
64609 said on June 19th, 2013 at 12:41 am:

I’m studying at North Carolina State University and I would like to voice my affection for your help toward individuals that seek help with this particular topic. Your real dedication to getting the answer out there appears to be quite beneficial and has permitted college students much like me to come to their goals. Do know that this work means a lot to all of us.